Gerber is stepping up their game

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  1. Whiterook808

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    Sorry, no.
     
  2. daniel craig

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    They actually produce a lot in the USA, state of Oregon now.
     
  3. jmorris

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    Your first post leads me to believe the auto opener is forbidden in your State. If that’s the case, seems like a liability to keep it.

    Liability might also be why they sent you an entire new legal in your State knife vs parts for you to repair one that is not.
     
  4. daniel craig

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    Keep vs carry. The auto stays in my car emergency kit now.
     
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    Ah, legal to own just not have on your person?
     
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    Gerber did not sell their soul to China. US politicians and the NIMBY attitude against factories of all kinds are why companies are making product where they are still allowed to.

    Did you know Fiskars owns Gerber?
     
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    Auto and assisted openers are illegal in that state, even to just possess. Only exception is during hunting, trapping, or fishing, while licensed for those activities. Never understood what you were supposed to do with them other than while involved in those activities since possession is illegal.
     
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    That's nice to hear.
    Sorry, I don't know where all of those BIG letters came from :oops:
    I hope Gerber will offer knives with better steel. I've had five and I'm down to three, all but one is US made and I'm still getting tired of sharpening the three I have left.
     
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  9. Dale Alan

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    What do you not like about Gerber steel, and what knives/steel do you own ? Thanks for any info .
     
  10. daniel craig

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    The one that started this post is s30v which is fine steel for most people in my opinion.
     
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    It’s one of those things that’s illegal but only enforced in certain areas (like NYC). The cops in my area don’t really care either way. It’s one of those things like, where if you used it in a crime they’d use the fact that it was Auto to put additional charges on but if not, nobody cares that much.
     
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    The laws that are not enforced are the ones that I really hate, they are just waiting to be selectively enforced...
     
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  13. Dale Alan

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    How many cops have seen it and said you are good to go ?
     
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    Yeah
     
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    No fewer than 5.
     
  16. Dale Alan

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    I agree , nothing wrong w/ s30v .
     
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    It doesn't use a detent so there won't be anything holding it back. The Leek uses Ken Onion's Speed Safe design which uses a cam shape on the tang to provide that bias closed.
     
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    Are you in NY state, but not in NYC?
     
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    Correct. There are people who don’t realize these aren’t the same thing lol.
     
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  20. Dale Alan

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    I had no clue assisted open was considered a switchblade in NYS , learned something new . I live in NE NY , place is crawling with all kinds of fuzz . Looks like I am going back to my Spyderco for EDC , not worth taking a chance with so many types of cops, all with their very own strong opinions .
     
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    The case of People v Berrezueta 31 N.Y.3d 1091 (2018) is the one court case that is cited. A knife described as having “a spring-loaded portion of the blade of the knife protruding from the handle of the knife” was observed in the pocket of the defendant who was convicted of possessing a switchblade pursuant § 265.01(1). The knife was opened by pressing on the protrusion of the blade. There was no button or other device in the handle that would cause the knife to open automatically. The conviction was upheld on appeal to the New York Court of Appeals which is the highest court in that state. This is cited as a cautionary case law instance for folks in NY.

    Another detail is that NYC subway system still has the old gravity knife definition on the books that NY state changed in 2018. NYC had been using an interpretation of gravity knives to include any knife you could eventually open with wrist action (regardless of bias closed or detent) after any number of attempts to charge thousands of people with carrying a gravity knife. Three times the state passed new definitions of what was a gravity knife due to Knife Rights and their partners in the state, but the Governor repeatedly vetoed it. Eventually the lawsuit by Knife Rights against NYC was about to move to SCOTUS and the Governor allowed the law to change to avoid NYC loosing the case.

    https://www.akti.org/state-knife-laws/new-york/
     
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    The nasty part was that certain members of the NYPD would hold onto the blade itself, flick their wrist, and open the handle out.

    They then interpreted this as the knife opening by the "application of centrifugal force", which was how the law defined a gravity knife..
     
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    I agree. The Gerbers I have were purchased 25-30 years ago, the stainless something steel does not hold a edge well.
     
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    I trust this comes from inside knowledge, because almost everything new I see from them either ignores the steel question or very quietly buries the fact their blade is 7Cr steel, which seems to make up the lion's share of their folders. A handful of blades are S30V, which is a very good steel today, but other than an occasional D2, 440 (with no letter often attached) or 420HC (a decent steel which Buck does well with) most of what they show is the aforementioned 7Cr, which is slightly better than no blade at all, but nowhere near what I'd consider passable. While I've become quite the aficionado of the K390 in my Endura, I don't feel at all bad carrying my D2 CRKTs & SOGs or any one of piles of 420HC Bucks or Aus-10A knives. However, while I'm happy with my 9Cr Civivi Praxis, I've had other 9Cr knives I've been disappointed with, and 8Cr rarely is worth carrying. I long for the days when Gerber used l6 to make my beloved (and long lost) Mark I.
     
  25. 3Crows

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    The OPs knife appears to have come from the same plant (in China I guess) that my new Boker auto knife came from.
     
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