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German 8mm - What do I have?

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  1. Pilgrim

    Pilgrim Member

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    I have come across 340 rounds of German manufacture 8mm ammunition
    with black tipped bullets. I know that means armor piercing in U.S.
    ammo, but I don't know if it means the same for 8mm German ammo.

    The box is marked:
    Patronen S.m.K L'spur (gelb)
    P.398 - 15.L.38
    Nz.Gew. Bl. P (2-2-0,45): Mog. 67.L.38
    Patrh.:S*P 107.L38 Gesch.:p 398.45 L.38
    Gesch.-Teile: P.28 - Satz: P.398
    Zdh. 88.: S.K.D. 1437.L.38

    The cartridge headstamp is marked: S* 107 38 P

    Any idea what I have?
     
  2. DonQatU

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    L'spur = tracer

    S.m.K. = Spitzgeschoss mit Stahlkern Leuchtspur or Spitzer with steel core tracer.

    These are the "bright tracers" with a burn to about 800 meters.

    Don
     
  3. Pilgrim

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    Thank you for the information.
     
  4. Mike Irwin

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    P is the mark for the Polte plant at Magdeburg.

    S* I believe means a brass case.

    107 is the 107th manufacture lot

    38 is the year, 1938.


    Given the black bullet tip, there should be a band of red paint around the primer. This was the standard combined marking for the AP-T ammo.

    On the packaging:

    Patronen means cartridge

    NZ means it's loaded with nitrocellulose powder.

    This line "Patrh.:S*P 107.L38" mirrors the information found on the headstamp.

    This line "Gesch.-Teile: P.28 - Satz: P.398" provides manufacture information on the bullet (Gesch is the abbreviation for bullet).

    This line "Zdh. 88.: S.K.D. 1437.L.38" is information on the primer, I believe. Don't know what the SKD is, but it may be the manufacturer.
     
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    Not "Stahl" something or other?

    Don
     
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    Nope, not Stahl.

    Steel cases often have an S+ marking on them.
     
  7. Pilgrim

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    Again, I thank you all for your quick and detailed response.
     
  8. Jim K

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    It is APT with a yellow (gelb) trace. There were tons of it sold in the late 1950's by (then) Interarmco and others. It has a mild collector interest, but there is quite a bit of it still around.

    The previous info seems correct. FYI, Zdh (Zundhutchen, English "primer") [18]88 is corrosive. Zdh [19]38 is non-corrosive, but rare.

    Tracer ammo is capable of starting fires, so be careful where you shoot it.

    Jim
     
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    Yes, thank you. I am aware of the fire hazard and will be careful with it.
     
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