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Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by hotshot357, Jul 25, 2019.

  1. jmorris

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    That would be a heck of a bargain, I’d still be on my first Ford truck instead of #8 and they were lots cheaper to buy back then. A new F350 these days cost more than my first 4 bedroom home did.

    I always wondered how Dillon would last with that business model, because compared to pretty much any other business, it is crazy. My first SD’s are 34 years old now and were upgraded by Dillon over the years when I sent them in for refurbishment, they added on the current features before sending them back. The only thing I have ever had to pay for was the cost of shipping it to them. Such fantastic customer service is why I have 8 of their presses now.
     
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  2. LiveLife

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    Fortunately Dillon Precision has other source of revenue like Dillon Aero, Dillon Optics and Dillon gear and accessories - https://www.dillonprecision.com/gear-accessories_8_107.html

    With Dillon presses carrying the "No BS" warranty in customers' favor, like Costco's no questions asked return policy, I am sure the free replacement/upgrade cost is factored in their business model and I think it's working as most buyers of Dillon presses become loyal life-long customers.

    And you have the other end of reloading press maker Lee Precision, another Made-in-USA company who likely outsells all the other reloading companies combined (probably world-wide) who also sends out free replacement parts, often even when warranty expired.

    I have a feeling both companies are doing very well. :thumbup:

    Oh boy, you can say that again! A new Ford F150, Chevy 1500, Ram 1500 and even Nissan Titan or Toyota Tundra cost more than my first 3 bedroom house bought in 1990. :eek:

    Wife's new 2016 Ram 1500 Outdoorsman trim Ecodiesel crewcab 4x4 costed $38,000 and my new 2019 Chrysler Pacifica Touring S with 2 screen entertainment system and cold weather options costed $34,000 ... Add extended warranty and lifetime synthetic oil change ... Dang. :D Fortunately, we chose to pay off both vehicles before my retirement started on July 4th of this year because truck payment was MORE than our retirement house mortgage payment! :p Good grief.

    Cost of the new Dillon 750 press will be nothing compared to ANY new car or truck or SUV. Our daughter's 2019 Hyundai Elantra Value Edition costed $17,000 (and I remember paying $10,000 for my Elantra I bought for work commuting in 1995) ... And have you priced new RVs? Sky is the limit! :eek:

    So, in "relative" comparison, cost of reloading is cheap, even for a Dillon press. I think Dillon will be selling a lot of 750 in my opinion and demand will probably outpace supply. If I did not have the 650, the new 750 would be on top of my shopping list.

    And will I buy a 750 even though I am happy with my 650? Probably not ... as I have 12 other presses (and growing) that I like and recently fell in love with Lee Auto Breech Lock Pro that has become my favored go-to press. At this point, if I were to buy another press, it will be a post 2018 revised Pro 1000 that was totally updated.
     
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  3. GW Staar

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    Yes, actually, I would ... especially if it was a safety issue. Ruger comes to mind. I still have a certificate to upgrade an old Single Six.....that I still won't use....I like it the way it is. See? I understand you guys.....;)

    I just read the link from Brian Enos.....good information...and yes I can see better. Thanks for the info.....too bad on the kit situation....still think it is a missed profitable opportunity.

    Yes, times have changed....the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Thankfully, reloading companies haven't gone that route. Probably because we have to buy cars, we don't have to reload. I bought my first car for $3500 a few months before graduating from H.S.......a new 1968 GTO, and I didn't have to buy a mortgage, just had to save money for 3 years.
     
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  4. jmorris

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    In urban areas there are lot of folks that don’t own cars. Even if you do own one, it doesn’t have to be new.

    One reason things like cars, trucks, boats and RV’s depreciate so badly so quick is because of the costs involved in maintaining them.

    In 1985 a new F150 was $14,000, today you can get one for $2000.

    In 1985 a Dillon SD cost $135, today you could sell it for twice as much as you paid for it new.
     
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  5. LiveLife

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    I agree with your post but quickly removed "F150" and replaced with "truck" to not offend THR Ford fans. ;) My dad and BIL were both Ford truck fans but dad now drives Ram 2500 with Cummins diesel and BIL (Who drives a Ford truck with PowerStroke and taught automotive at college and rebuilt countless engines) told me to buy Ram 1500 with EcoDiesel if I didn't want the Cummins diesel.
     
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    If you are above ground, it's never too late!

    My wife says I should sell some of my guns to fund the 750 purchase. :eek::eek::eek:

    She kids!!! :rofl: (I reminded her our agreement that she won't interfere with my hobbies as I fully support her crazy hobbies - Her two mini piglets are so cute! I also reminded her sale of guns will only FUND new gun builds or trades)

    BTW, piglet pics.
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    750 at $650 + $220 for case feeder and cost to build another bench will lead to expansion of my reloading room (which is bursting at the seam already) which will lead to adding a new wing to the house ... And I still have 2 ocean aluminum fishing boats to finish (Wife knows a new outboard for 18' boat is around $10,000 and even just a stainless steel impeller for the 21' boat's Berkeley jet drive is mere $1,000 :eek:).
     

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    Perhaps not the most popular opinion but unless there is a paradigm shift with the Dillon 750 that can significantly change the reloading process, I'm going to stick with the Hornady LNL. I have a lot of time, energy and dollars tied up in that press and I'm more than satisfied with its performance. It would have to be a remarkable and game changing press for me to even consider a switch. I would be looking for things like fully automated primer loading (as in just dump in a box of primers), case prep (case length out of spec, wrong case warning), low component warnings, etc.

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  8. Walkalong

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    Might be, we have to wait and see.
     
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  9. Walkalong

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    I did sell some guns to help fund my last purchase, but it was a rifle, a high end rifle, three scopes, and accessories. The 750 I could handle without selling stuff. :)
     
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  10. 460Shooter

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    Coming back to the comments on the detonation of primers in the tube, has there ever been any reports of this happening with a 550 or a 650? I use a 550, and the only way I could see detonating a primer is if you crunched one into a case so forcefully and quickly that the entire bench would be rocking around. I mean the stupidity level would have to be so high that there's pretty much only a matter of time before someone like that gets themselves killed. But in that case, the primer would already be under the shell plate and away from the primer feed tube, so a chain reaction seems impossible in that instance. Just curious.

    The one weakness as I see it is if the feed tube lip gets mangled. mine actually came with a bad one.

    Just curious. I had some malfunctions awhile back and actually had a few primers seat sideways. I was actually able to decap them and reseat them pretty easily.
     
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  11. cheygriz

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    460, Been using a Dillon RL450 since they came out in the 80s.

    Been using an XL650 since the middle 90s.

    Never had a primer detonation, and never heard of anyone else having one.
     
  12. Texas10mm

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    You need to look at Mark 7. They have everything you want.
     
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  13. Jim Watson

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    If you haven't heard of a gang fire in the primer feed of a progressive loader, you haven't been following the gunboards the past couple of decades.
    I recall more cases of 650s blowing up than any other Dillon, maybe more than all other Dillons, in spite of the elaborate rotary feed.
    I have loaded on SDB, 550B, and S1050, skipping over the 650 to get positive stop primer seating in the 1050. Actually, I skipped from SDB to S1050 because the Square Deal lacks the leverage to seat .45 ACP primers well. The 550 was a backfill purchase.

    None of them feed primers as well as my old CH Autochamp or MEC shotshell loaders. The CH's linear advance and cam operated powder measure are liabilities, though; its dies now rest in 550 toolheads.

    In the Benos 750 thread, there was a wish not for a 650-750 "upgrade kit" but for a stripped 750 press that you could put your 650 toolheads, measures, and feeder on.
     
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  14. jmorris

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    I don't have much time to spare, and I am certainly a much lower volume shooter than many as a result, but I guess I don't even think about a loading session unless I have enough time to do it at a comfortable pace. I like to feel everything slide into place as I pull the lever and raise that ram. If I'm trying to move so fast I am crunching things up in my press, then I need to reprioritize my time.

    I guess others are more rushed. Understandable for competitors. Just an opinion.
     
  16. higgite

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    Google "dillon xl650 primer detonation" and you can say that you have heard of them, quite a few of them. ;)
     
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    https://www.dillonprecision.com/primer-explosion_350_11_632.htm
    This is one of them, There are obviously lots of them or Dillon wouldn't be calling out replacing the 650 xl with the 750 with this as one of the reasons.
    I don't agree with their marketing any more than anyone else here does.
    I think they are saving manufacturing money by using the cheaper system that everyone else but Lee uses.
    We all know that somewhere there is someone that is so careless they will blow one up and blame every bit of it on the press maker.
    HEAVEN FORBID THEY DID ANYTHING WRONG. IT HAS TO BE SOMEONE ELSE.
    Accidental is one thing as long as the person calls that out and says he did something wrong or asks help with what he did wrong, but blaming it all on the press manufacturer,
    or the primer manufacturer is something else.
     
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  18. Skgreen

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    The 750 may end up having enough small/separate 'tweaks' added that some folks will buy 'em. Maybe more depending on the tweaks,,,

    (Again, I don't have anything blue right now, but I learned a long time ago to 'never say never!' )

    Pretty sure no one expects anything on the 750 to create an "Industry-wide 'Revolution'.

    But, a little Evolution now and then could be well-received.
     
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    It's been a while since Dillon has come out with anything new like this. For Dillon owners like me it's nice to see.
     
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  20. GW Staar

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    Well.............are you?;)

    Maybe this will help....2 more pictures going around.....courtesy of andre3k.
    I can't tell what I'm looking at....but real Dillon owners probably can.

    News Flash: I'm told Dillon will sell a stripped down version in a few months, but no kits. I'm assuming that means those who want to retire their 650 (not sell it) they can use all the parts that fit a new 750......in a few months....would anyone actually do that? Dillon seems to think so. If I wanted to upgrade, I would think selling the 650 first would provide the least financial hit?
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  21. bgw45

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    Maybe a good move. However I have had to get fresh parts for my 24 yr. old 550. I now have a a couple of 650s added to my 550. I currently have an issue with a 650 priming system, seemingly, caused by an out of spec primer. It jammed the disc and I bent the primer advance arm. I know, ignorance pulled the handle too hard and did not sense the stoppage. Should have! No primer ignition. I'm thankful.
     
  22. 9mmepiphany

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    That makes a lot of sense and a good way to get current users to switch over while still keeping their now "so yesterday " 650.

    I've found that many folks dread "selling" things...plus then you don't have to deal with shipping or meeting
     
  23. Jim Watson

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    I am sure they will sell some stripped 750s to 650 owners.
    A guy here started out with an early 450. He replaced the manual primer feed and powder measure with automatics when introduced. Then put all that would transfer on a 550 frame when that model came out.
     
  24. Walkalong

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    Doubtful, I am happy with my LNL and don't shoot nearly as much as the folks who play gun games like IDPA, Three gun, etc.

    But never say never.
     
  25. GW Staar

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    I probably shoot even less than you do.....I don't compete either. Unfortunately, my friends who I shoot with are down-pedaling even worse than me....and that doesn't help. Appears I need to find some more friends. Shooting alone is just.....boring....I like someone to .... ah....listen to. ;)

    My brother bought a 650 3 years ago, and I don't think he's emptied the two lbs of powder he started with......that wasn't a good purchase in my opinion....he wasn't committed. Guess it wasn't as fun as he thought. I can see me buying one more press, but it won't be this year, and it's not to load more.....It's because I get lazier each year.....you know, the changing calibers disease........besides, I love a new toy to tinker with. But this year I've plenty to do, still learning and playing with the Pro Chucker 7, that's not to say I'm not going to enjoy, thoroughly, hearing from the early adopters of the Dillon 750. Who's going to be first?:)
     
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