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Getting a 1911 to feed hollow points

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Locnar, Apr 3, 2010.

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  1. Locnar

    Locnar Member

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    I'm looking at a full size 1911 as my concealed carry gun, but I know there's issues with the platform feeding hollow points. Is there anything that a gunsmith can do (a "reliability package", perhaps?) to ensure 100% hollow point feeding reliability?

    I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of accuracy to ensure perfect reliability. I don't need to make overlapping holes at 25 yards; a two or three inch group at 25 yards is acceptable to me.
     
  2. EddieNFL

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    I think you may have stumbled across one of those vampire like myths. All the 1911s I've purchased over the past 25 years have feed HPs (designed for autos) right out of the box. The few problems I encountered were not ammo related.
     
  3. 918v

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    The "platform" does not have issues with hollow points. Certain variants do.
     
  4. rcmodel

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    Early GI & commercial Colt 1911's didn't especially like JHP's with huge holes in the nose.
    That was because they were made before JHP ammo was invented and the guns chamber throat changed slightly to feed FMJ-RN ammo.
    But they would usually feed Remington and other brands of JHP with a more GI bullet profile.

    Todays 1911's should feed most JHP just fine right out of the box.
    If not, a little judicious feed ramp & barrel throat polishing usually makes it so.

    Again, any gun can refuse to feed with certain brands of ammo.
    You need to try what you want to use, and if it doesn't feed, try something else.
    But this is true of most guns, not just 1911's.

    rc
     
  5. Zerodefect

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    If you are haveing trouble:
    -Try Remington GS 230gn, nice round tips.
    -Polish your ramp and that beveled edge of the barrel. I use a dremel with the cotton cylinder thingy that spins onto the screw arbor. Turtle wax chrome polish or the orange dremel polish should work.
    - get rid of the garbage mags the gun came with. Get some Tripp Cobra mags.
    - get a higher quality recoil spring. Wolf 18 lb.


    The above mods turned my Kimber CDP from a jamomatic to a flawlessly reliable gun.
     
  6. rcmodel

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    Kember does seem to leave some sharp edges on the chamber throat.

    I've fixed several of them.

    rc
     
  7. sideways

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    I have Colt Officer also 1981 manufacture series 70 never had FTF out of either one' I really don't believe I'm just lucky just don't know that is a real concern with modern 1911's
     
  8. atomd

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    If you get a good high quality 1911 you will have more of a problem getting it to NOT feed something. I bought a Dan Wesson last fall that has plowed through a dozen brands of factory ammo (many rounds) along with a couple thousand of my reloads..a lot of them being test loads using a half dozen different bullets with different charges, primers, and OALs. A lot of those rounds were JHP. While it might be more accurate with one than another, it eats anything and everything. I haven't had one malfunction yet.
     
  9. Sunray

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    "...full size 1911 as my concealed carry gun..." Easy enough with the right holster and belt. The belt is just as important as the holster.
    "...a little judicious feed ramp & barrel throat polishing usually makes it so..." Yep. And extending the feed ramp taper/angle about half way up the sides of the chamber to make it feed reliably. Needs to be done for SWC's too. A fine jeweller's file will do nicely. However, if you're at all concerned about doing it yourself, take it to a smithy.
    Like RC says, it isn't just 1911's. If you're not reloading, you'll have to try a box of as many brands, bullet weights and shapes as you can to find the ammo your pistol both shoots well and cycles the action. The cost of said ammo means nothing either.
     
  10. mljdeckard

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    Yep. Pick a round that you like, (I use 230 gr HSTs,) run 200 of them through your gun. If they run error free, trust them.

    My dad just got a Springfield Mil-Spec, and it ate 200 of them no problem.
     
  11. ckone

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    Go to an IDPA match and watch which guns seem to have the most issues just running FMJ... You'll see that it's just about always 1911's, expensive ones too, custom this custom that with all the best "names".

    When the heat is on it only gets worse with JHP's.

    I love 1911's, but the people who tell you that theirs run flawless are almost always talking about how they do while being shot casually while standing still in a lane at some range punching holes in paper while shooting small groups, Hi-Points work 100% under those same conditions.
    Todd Jarett and Rob Leathem seem to have good luck with getting theirs to run right under up tempo conditions, it's too bad we all don't have a small army of factory gunsmiths to make sure ours all run as well too.
     
  12. 918v

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    Tell that to all the cops carrying 1911's and FBI SWAT.
     
  13. Frank Ettin

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    I have a variety of 1911s in full size, commander size and officer size. They are all 100% reliable with JHPs, FMJs and LSWCs. I've been able to wring them out in IPSC competition, a number of classes I've taken and various vigorous, high round count drills on practice days at my IPSC club.

    It's true that a particular example of any type of gun can be finicky. I've nonetheless been able to do quite well with 1911s. And if one has problems with a particular 1911, most of the time it's a bad magazine or an easily fixed extractor problem.
     
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    Uptempo? It would be rare to go through more than 1 mag of ammo in an SD situation. Most importantly, I would hope they're not all misses.

    I don't believe in 1911 magic, but I had a series 80 officers model that never malfunctioned. It was a nice gun. I wish I hadn't sold it.

    I like GLOCKs because I'm lazy. If something breaks, I want to be able to replace it myself with parts I buy from anywhere I want. OEM, third party, or whatnot. And because it doesn't need to be cleaned/oiled as often. But I'd trust a 1911 to get the job done, too.

    The guns I see jam the most often at matches are:
    #1. People running brand new guns (except GLOCKS, which don't seem to need break-in)
    #2. People running highly modified guns (most often 1911's, and some GLOCKs). But the reason for so many 1911's choking is likely because of the number of custom parts catalogs and backyard gunsmiths that seem to gravitate towards this platform.
     
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    If it was made in the last 20 years or so, it should already be "ramped and throated" to run with hollowpoints, at least those that have a rounded nose and narrow cavity approximating the shape of ball. (Even many older ones will run with such bullets.) If it does not, it doesn't need a "reliability package," it needs to be repaired as it is not performing as designed.
     
  16. atomd

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    Exactly. So many of those 1911s have been "tuned" by someone. I'd say a vast majority of pistols seen at any matches have had at least something done to them. As soon as you start screwing with them, you're much more likely to have a malfunction of some sort. And if you're looking for a gun to really screw with, a 1911 is an excellent choice. A lot of 1911 guys are like Harley guys...on the ride home with it brand new they are already making a wish list of parts to replace or work to be done to it. You're more likely to see a factory glock or a glock that has a couple of swapped factory parts in them like a different connector or something of that nature. They are all also mass produced drop in parts that don't require any fitting to run correctly so there's less room for error.
     
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    You just have to build them right. No need to stay stock.

    Most of those shooters don't know how to tune thier 1911's. I've tried helping them and I get these replies:

    "But it's brand new."- yeah, sure, hows that working for ya.
    "Its a $3000 Wilson it shouldn't need polished ramps or a stonger spring."- apparently it deos
    "but this is good remington ammo"- dude it UMC garbage.

    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Most of these 1911 owners don't seem to understand, that something has to be changed to get there gun working well again.

    PS: I love external extractors
     
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    I've never had a problem with either of my 1911's digesting hollow points. I load my own too. The only bullet design my guns don't seem to like are Rainer wadcutters. They eat everything else.

    If you do have a feeding problem, try switching mags. I have had very good luck with Wilson Combat Mags.
     
  19. 76shuvlinoff

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    Federal Hydra Shoks feed in my fullsize Kimber , zero issues.
     
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    In spec properly made 1911's are as reliable as any platform out there.

    Dare I say it? Yes. Mine run pretty much 100%. I have a couple that have never failed yet after quite a few rounds. Wet & clean, dirty & dry.

    Yep.
     
  21. EddieNFL

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    Lots of folks still fall prey to the internet myths. Gotta wonder if they fall for Nigerian scams, as well.
     
  22. Hatterasguy

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    My Springfield didn't like hollow points at first, but it was new. I put 200 rounds through it and now it doesn't seem to have a problem. It wouldn't chamber Speer Gold Dots, but now that its broken in I'm going to try them again.


    I would think these days as long as you buy a decent 1911 from a good manufacturer you shouldn't have problems. If you do they will fix it.
     
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    I had my AMT and my AO worked over, throated, buffed, still ball guns. My Ruger P90 will feed anything. I swore off 1911s for lint, anyway, don't like the single action cocked and locked thing for carry, prefer a DA which fires at least the first shot like my revolvers. Keeps the platform at least somewhat similar since I carry revolvers a lot. The P90's carry is a stash of flying ashtrays I still have. :D When I use them up, I'll probably get some 200 grain gold dots and live happy. That thing is so reliable, i don't even worry about it feeding anything I buy or load for it.
     
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    I have a $800+ dollar Springfield Loaded and a $400 Rock Island. Both shoot anything from "flying ashtrays" to lead semiwadcutters to lead round nose to factory ball.

    Before you spend a chunk of change on a stock 1911, shoot it with different ammunition makers/meplats/styles.

    Q
     
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    Maybe I'm just naive because I never feel the need to shoot anything other than 230 gr jacketed bullets out of mine. I tested some cast 230 SWCs from a friend, and they worked too.

    This is why I get the willies when people start messing with barrel length, bullet size, bullet shape, pressure, etc. I see no reason to deviate from how it was designed.
     
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