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Gift for a Spaniard?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Sebastian the Ibis, Sep 12, 2017.

  1. Sebastian the Ibis

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    My neighbor (a Spaniard) as seriously helped me out with a couple of things during Irmageddon, and I need to get him something nice as a thank you.

    He likes historical stuff, and is from Spain so I was thinking of getting him an Astra or Star pistol, or ideally an Ovedio Mauser. I anticipate that whatever I get him will be shot a couple times and become a wall hanger.

    Does anyone have any other suggestions (hopefully with links to something in stock)?
     
  2. theotherwaldo

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    Maybe a M1907 Puerto Seguro cavalry sword? I like mine - almost as good as a Patton M1913 sword - and oddly similar... .
     
  3. NIGHTLORD40K

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    I think Sarco still has A400s in 9mm Largo for cheap...might even still have some ammo as well. I have a A600 in 9 Parabellum, and its a keeper! Great old-world craftsmanship, easily the equal of a contemporary Colt or Luger.
     
  4. J-Bar

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    A Randall knife? Less paperwork...
     
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  5. NIGHTLORD40K

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    J-bar has a point. Might not want to mention that its a gift if you purchase at a LGS. They may freak out about it being a potential straw sale and refuse to do business with you.
     
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  7. ontarget

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    What about one of the Spanish made black powder revolvers? Also should be less paperwork. Not REALLY historical but an awesome gift anyway.
     
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    You can buy a gun as gift. I've done it more than once at more than one gun store (and even mentioned that fact at the counter).
     
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  9. bannockburn

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    If I were looking for a Spanish firearm as a gift to a friend I would go with a Star Model B, BM, or BKS. If you decide to go with a Spanish made knife, you might want to consider something from Aitor.
     
  10. FL-NC

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    Guardia Civil Mauser carbine in 308.
     
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  12. Sam1911

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    This bears repeating and also a little explaining. Buying a gun as a GIFT for someone else means you are the purchaser and can thus truthfully answer the questions on the 4473 form. Giving a firearm as a gift (as long as you follow your state's laws, and don't cross state lines) is perfectly lawful.

    A straw purchase only happens when you are NOT really the purchaser, but are stepping up to that counter to buy a gun in someone else's stead. And it doesn't matter who that someone else is, and whether or not they are a prohibited purchaser. If the arrangement is that they want a gun and tell you to go buy it and (generally speaking) are providing the funds, that's a straw purchase.

    There are some pretty fine lines in there and some cases would be hard to pick apart. (Like, Jim tells his wife Jane, I want that new Remington 700, and she fills out the paperwork and buys the gun...for him...with their joint money... is it a gift? What if he said "Go buy me that new Remington? What if she used her account, not his? Is it a straw purchase?)

    But buying a present for your neighbor is very clear and lawful.


    And cool! :)
     
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  13. everydefense

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    Regardless of what is actually legal or not, it's a very real possibility that "they may freak out about it being a potential straw sale and refuse to do business with you," as @NIGHTLORD40K said.
     
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  14. Sam1911

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    Considering that the instructions to the dealer printed on every single copy of the 4473 form describe EXACTLY this type of sale and tell the dealer that it IS legal, that seems more of a worry in our minds than in reality.
     
  15. everydefense

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    Nope, I myself have witnessed firsthand this kind of thing happening. I was having a hard time finding a particular barreled action for a custom hunting rifle build (pretty much the opposite of what a gangbanger would be trying to buy through someone else). Heck, this barreled action didn't even have iron sights. At that time there were only 2 official dealers of that brand in my state that would be able to order it for me, and the one in my city told me "tough luck" (don't remember the reason why; they are generally lazy and consider the customer lucky to have the opportunity to visit their store- I've browsed but never bought anything there).

    The other dealer was in a city 2 hours away, so I tried to correspond by phone to arrange the sale. At some point I mentioned that I might use my father to help facilitate the process, since he lives in that city, and from that point on they were scared to proceed, apparently... I even dropped by in person one weekend to help put a face with a name and try to get the order placed, but they were being squirrely and I ended up leaving without being able to order it.

    Fortunately, I was able to find the same item on Bud's Gun Shop and simply ordered it online (that was my first online gun purchase) and had it shipped to my LGS, whose FFL transfer fee is a mere $15 (this is a mom and pop shop, not the dealer I mentioned before). I'm a CCW permit holder, so there are no legal restrictions on me and I've never had so much as a hiccup during a background check. It was annoying to me that I wasted time an effort on those losers when I should've just ordered online to begin with. This is one reason why brick and mortar shops are going by the wayside...
     
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    Errr... see, that's not the same thing as saying, "I'm buying this gun as a gift."

    Now I don't know what exactly you said to them, but if it was anything like, "Hey, I want this gun and it would be convenient if I send my dad up to fill out the paperwork..." they were 100% right to deny that sale. THAT is not a gift. That is a straw purchase -- even though you aren't a prohibited person. And once they know you've tried to work a straw purchase (even though you didn't realize that's what it was, and meant no harm) they're rightly pretty unwilling to do any gun deals with you.

    SO, totally different situation even though I guess it sounds related to you.
     
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    Here are the instructions to the dealer:
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    Nothing in that would tell the dealer, "If the purchaser is two hours away and he sends his dad to buy the gun, that's ok..."

    If you Dad had walked into that store, ordered that gun, paid for it, and given it to you as a gift, THAT would have been perfectly legal. You calling the dealer and ordering a gun and sending your dad to fill out the paperwork and pick it up isn't.
     
  18. everydefense

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    I see your point. Obviously I should've left my dad out of the conversation, but it still frustrated me that 2 legal purchasers can't perform what might be considered a "straw purchase". (Why would the process of obtaining the firearm matter if none of the parties involved are legally barred from possessing it?) Seems silly that the law is structured that way... but I digress from the thread topic.
     
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    "Guardia Civil Mauser carbine in 308."

    Those were chambered for 7,62 CETME, a 40K PSI cartridge with the same external dimensions as a .308win.

    IMHO, giving a pre-98 Mauser (receiver can handle 40K PSI max) that can chamber a .308win (60K PSI cartridge) is a very bad idea.

    Maybe as a gift to a knowledgeable reloader, but definitely not to a novice.
     
  20. NIGHTLORD40K

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    Well, the FR7 is maybe a little shady, but the FR8 I is a 98 action. I have one and shoot it all the time with .308, doesn't worry me. However he may have been referring to one of the 9mm Largo Destroyer carbines- neat little guns.
     
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    I'm sure even a Spaniard would appreciate some fine American artillery. Get him an M1 Garand, or a Colt SAA and call it square.
     
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    Wow, NIGHTLORD 40K, that is a magnificent looking Astra 600. Mine is not as high conditioned. I am envious!!! :(
     
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    How much do you want to spend?
    A rifle or a sword would definitely look better as a wall hanger.
    But,

    I had a Star Modelo B and was pretty impressed with its quality, handling and price. Shouldn't've sold it
     
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    IMG_1006.jpg Star Firestar M45- another great little Spanish pistol, especially in nickel.
     

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