You will also find the 19x has a different ejector than the others..
Glock 17, 19 Brass to face....
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You will also find the 19x has a different ejector than the others..
JTQ
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Then they'd have to answer questions about "enhanced ejection over what?" "Are you saying there was an ejection issue with your late Gen 3 and Gen 4 guns?"
Leaving it as "internet rumor" is typically the way they've done business.
Some folks probably think the reason for the Gen 4 guns was to get those back straps. The reason for the Gen 4 guns was to fix the problems with the Gen 3 .40 S&W models. All the other stuff were just throw-in's since they were changing the frame anyway.
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Let me add - I think Glocks are solid firearms, from the first Gen to the current Gen 5, but some of the Gen 5 features have got to make folks question 35 years of Glock marketing about ...
- accurate and durable polygonal rifling (marksmanship barrel)
- slim minimal controls (ambi slide stop)
- super durability (updated firing pin safety, whatever the new slide stop spring is, an probably a couple other Gen 5 features I'm forgetting)
- accurate and durable polygonal rifling (marksmanship barrel)
- slim minimal controls (ambi slide stop)
- super durability (updated firing pin safety, whatever the new slide stop spring is, an probably a couple other Gen 5 features I'm forgetting)
Yeah I thought about that as I was typing it, but they are masters at marketing so it'd been funny to see how they would've chosen to highlight it. Kinda like the removal of finger grooves. "We know these made the gun better when we added them, but it's even more better now that they're gone!"
If we didn't have all the great competition going on in the polymer wonder 9 market, Glock would just keep churning out the same old Gen 4 17s and 19s, and they'd still be at G39 or whatever with only about 2 models that people actually care about between 31-39. Oh the innovation.
In more ways than the grooves the g5 is closer to the 2nd gen glocks. Yet some eat it up as new and improved.
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Im kind of amazed at all the problems. For once in my life, its not my turn in the barrel!
I just did a quick count, and I currently have 18 Glocks, 1 Gen 2, 14 Gen 3's, and 3 Gen 4's. Ive also sold off a number of others too, which brings the total up to around 25. Except for two .45's and two 380's, all are/were 9mm. Some I bought new, most were used.
I swear, when using factory fresh ammo, and not my reloads, I cant ever remember having a piece of brass hit me in the face. With my worn out reloaded brass, Ive had pretty much every malfunction you can think of, including the occasional piece of brass flying by my head, but never with factory ammo, or reloads with fresh brass.
Its actually great for realistic practice, as you never have to set anything up, and you never know when something is going to happen or what.
I just picked up a basically brand new Gen 4 17 about a week ago, and was told when I bought it, that it was less than a month old, and had already gone back to Glock, because it kept hitting the guy who bought it new in the face with brass. The return slip said they replaced all the slide parts. He apparently took it right out and shot it, and it was still constantly hitting him in the face. He brought it back and traded it off for something else.
I got it, along with three mags and a G Code SOC RIG paddle retention holster with extras for $445. I looked up the holster, its a $170 holster NIB, and this one looks like it was never used. I figure Ill probably get around $100 for it on EBay, so Ill probably end up with around $345 in it.
As of the other day, Ive put 600 rounds through it, and not one piece of brass to the face! Im suspecting there was nothing wrong with it when it went back.
This is one reason I suspect its how people are, or may be holding the guns when they shoot. It shoots fine for me. Why wouldnt it shoot fine for them?
One other thing I hear people bitch about too, are the mags. The only mags Ive had that didnt always drop free, are the Gen 1 and Gen 2 mags. And those normally will when empty, or if there are a few rounds left in the mag. The full or mostly full mags have to be pulled from the gun.
Once they started with the metal liners, they have always dropped free. Some may not "shoot" out of the gun, but most leave fairly briskly, under their own power.
I use/save the factory mags for carry or reloads. I use Korean mags for practice. Been using the same 20 or so Korean 17 mags, weekly in practice, for about 10 years now. Never had a problem. I have a bunch of the Korean 19 mags as well, and they too work great.
Not sure why there so many different experiences with the Glocks, but I suspect GunnyUSMC was onto something when he said this...."You will find that most people that complain about the problem with Glocks know very little about them."
I just did a quick count, and I currently have 18 Glocks, 1 Gen 2, 14 Gen 3's, and 3 Gen 4's. Ive also sold off a number of others too, which brings the total up to around 25. Except for two .45's and two 380's, all are/were 9mm. Some I bought new, most were used.
I swear, when using factory fresh ammo, and not my reloads, I cant ever remember having a piece of brass hit me in the face. With my worn out reloaded brass, Ive had pretty much every malfunction you can think of, including the occasional piece of brass flying by my head, but never with factory ammo, or reloads with fresh brass.
Its actually great for realistic practice, as you never have to set anything up, and you never know when something is going to happen or what.
I just picked up a basically brand new Gen 4 17 about a week ago, and was told when I bought it, that it was less than a month old, and had already gone back to Glock, because it kept hitting the guy who bought it new in the face with brass. The return slip said they replaced all the slide parts. He apparently took it right out and shot it, and it was still constantly hitting him in the face. He brought it back and traded it off for something else.
I got it, along with three mags and a G Code SOC RIG paddle retention holster with extras for $445. I looked up the holster, its a $170 holster NIB, and this one looks like it was never used. I figure Ill probably get around $100 for it on EBay, so Ill probably end up with around $345 in it.
As of the other day, Ive put 600 rounds through it, and not one piece of brass to the face! Im suspecting there was nothing wrong with it when it went back.
This is one reason I suspect its how people are, or may be holding the guns when they shoot. It shoots fine for me. Why wouldnt it shoot fine for them?
One other thing I hear people bitch about too, are the mags. The only mags Ive had that didnt always drop free, are the Gen 1 and Gen 2 mags. And those normally will when empty, or if there are a few rounds left in the mag. The full or mostly full mags have to be pulled from the gun.
Once they started with the metal liners, they have always dropped free. Some may not "shoot" out of the gun, but most leave fairly briskly, under their own power.
I use/save the factory mags for carry or reloads. I use Korean mags for practice. Been using the same 20 or so Korean 17 mags, weekly in practice, for about 10 years now. Never had a problem. I have a bunch of the Korean 19 mags as well, and they too work great.
Not sure why there so many different experiences with the Glocks, but I suspect GunnyUSMC was onto something when he said this...."You will find that most people that complain about the problem with Glocks know very little about them."
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Why is it that so many have a problem with Glock using Perfection in their advertising. Did anyone actually ever believe that it was anything other then marketing? Perfection is something to strive for, and is something that many gun companies do. Some have come close, but I don’t think any have ever made it.
Just look at some of the other guns on the market. Some would say the the 1911 and the Browning Hi-Power are two of the best guns ever made. You can find many different manufacturers of 1911 in many different configurations, single and double stack, and in many different calibers. But who’s to say which is the best.
Browning is no longer making the Hi-Power, and I know some that claim that it’s the best handgun ever made.
Perfection is something that Glock strives for. They do make changes with each generation, some are obvious and others are not. Most don’t know that the Gen4’s had a different barrel then the Gen3’s, the rifling was changed. And the Gen5’s were changed again.
If you have ever wondered how Glock has been able to keep it’s place in the market, think about this. If you have ever used a Glock firearm, you can pickup just about any Glock, made in the last 30 years and be able to function it in the dark.
Now have they had some issues over the years? Yes, but most have been minor like BTF. When other guns have had major issues like going off when dropped and parts braking.
Has anyone here that has had the problem with BTF with the Glock change out the extractor or extractor spring?
And some can’t tell one Glock from another.
Just look at some of the other guns on the market. Some would say the the 1911 and the Browning Hi-Power are two of the best guns ever made. You can find many different manufacturers of 1911 in many different configurations, single and double stack, and in many different calibers. But who’s to say which is the best.
Browning is no longer making the Hi-Power, and I know some that claim that it’s the best handgun ever made.
Perfection is something that Glock strives for. They do make changes with each generation, some are obvious and others are not. Most don’t know that the Gen4’s had a different barrel then the Gen3’s, the rifling was changed. And the Gen5’s were changed again.
If you have ever wondered how Glock has been able to keep it’s place in the market, think about this. If you have ever used a Glock firearm, you can pickup just about any Glock, made in the last 30 years and be able to function it in the dark.
Now have they had some issues over the years? Yes, but most have been minor like BTF. When other guns have had major issues like going off when dropped and parts braking.
Has anyone here that has had the problem with BTF with the Glock change out the extractor or extractor spring?
And some can’t tell one Glock from another.
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Steve in Allentown
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I think you're right about this but I'd phrase it a little differently. I believe the pistol requires a certain minimum amount of resistance to its recoil impulse in order for it to function properly.As of the other day, Ive put 600 rounds through it, and not one piece of brass to the face! Im suspecting there was nothing wrong with it when it went back.
This is one reason I suspect its how people are, or may be holding the guns when they shoot. It shoots fine for me. Why wouldnt it shoot fine for them?
I have a 17 that causes me no problem. My wife who is a coach for the high school fitness team and can knock out 50 man push-ups without breaking a sweat, runs triathlons, and has completed a full Iron Man just for fun gets bonked in the noggin with ejected brass from that 17. She's definitely not weak but doesn't have the body mass (weight) to add enough additional resistance to prevent this from happening. That's my theory. I continue to experiment from time to time with the 17 to see if I can get it to stop batting hot brass back at my baby momma's head.
Swapping out Glock recoil springs for a lighter one is not as simple as swapping out a 1911 recoil spring because it also affects resetting of the striker and trigger mechanism. Go too light and you now have a single shot pistol. In contrast, a 1911 will continue to run with an extremely light recoil spring, because its only job is to move the slide forward. It doesn't affect any other function in the pistol.
You may find this video interesting:
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I saw those limp wrist tests when they first showed up, and tried my best to replicate them. I used one of my 17's, and didnt run into trouble with it until I tried shooting the gun like he does in the video. Basically, holding the gun sideways and with nothing behind it. Only problem with that is, who shoots like that?
Even then, I was only getting like 3 out of 10 failures to cycle. When I started, I was just holding the gun in my hand, with basically no grip, it was just sitting in my hand, basically as I normally shoot, arm behind the gun, but with the gun just resting on the web of my hand and the trigger guard on my middle finger. The only thing keeping the gun from flying out of my hand when I shot, was my finger in the trigger guard. I fired three or four full 17 round mags like that, without one stoppage.
The only time I started to have troubles, was when there was no mass behind the gun. That mass being, my arm. Turn the gun sideways, like he was shooting them in the video, and the trouble started. And still, it was only something like 30% failures. The gun worked more than it didnt.
I know that sounds like a lot, but you have to consider how you're holding the gun, and its about impossible to shoot it that way, and actually hit something. I tried. Shooting "at" the photo silhouette targets I usually shot in practice, which are about 24"x36", I dont think I hit the paper once at about 5 yards. Holding it with "no grip", as I described above, and the gun functioned 100%, and I hit the target every time, and on the person on the target, not just the paper.
Some were saying at the time, that if you were injured, you wouldnt be able to shoot the gun, which I believe is incorrect, as long as you dont try and shoot it sideways, which likely wouldnt do you any good anyway if you were trying to hit something. If you were injured and can keep the gun in your hand, no matter how loosely youre holding it, it should still function, if you are pointing or aiming it, with your arm and wrist (mass) behind the gun.
What I think is going on, at least with the limp wrist thing, which I believe is an incorrect term, and nothing to do with "the wrist", is that people who have the problem, allow the gun and the arm itself, to move rearward with the recoil, and taking the mass behind the gun away with it. As long as I keep my arm behind the gun, and dont let it move rearward with recoil, the gun cycles fine, with absolutely no grip what so ever on the gun.
And as I said above, Im suspecting thats more the problem with BTF, than it is the gun. Maybe they are just allowing a little "give" when they shoot, and the gun isnt functioning as well as it should, yet it is still functioning. Just chucking that brass in a more random pattern.
From what Ive seen, both problems dont seem to happen with experienced shooters, using good technique. Its seems to usually be the people who are somewhat to totally inexperienced, and especially those who seem to be the least bit fearful of the gun, that are the ones who seem to have the most issues. Get them to get a firm grip on the gun, and more importantly, keep that arm from moving rearward under recoil, and I think youll see the problems go away.
Thats my story anyway, and Im sticking to it!
Even then, I was only getting like 3 out of 10 failures to cycle. When I started, I was just holding the gun in my hand, with basically no grip, it was just sitting in my hand, basically as I normally shoot, arm behind the gun, but with the gun just resting on the web of my hand and the trigger guard on my middle finger. The only thing keeping the gun from flying out of my hand when I shot, was my finger in the trigger guard. I fired three or four full 17 round mags like that, without one stoppage.
The only time I started to have troubles, was when there was no mass behind the gun. That mass being, my arm. Turn the gun sideways, like he was shooting them in the video, and the trouble started. And still, it was only something like 30% failures. The gun worked more than it didnt.
I know that sounds like a lot, but you have to consider how you're holding the gun, and its about impossible to shoot it that way, and actually hit something. I tried. Shooting "at" the photo silhouette targets I usually shot in practice, which are about 24"x36", I dont think I hit the paper once at about 5 yards. Holding it with "no grip", as I described above, and the gun functioned 100%, and I hit the target every time, and on the person on the target, not just the paper.
Some were saying at the time, that if you were injured, you wouldnt be able to shoot the gun, which I believe is incorrect, as long as you dont try and shoot it sideways, which likely wouldnt do you any good anyway if you were trying to hit something. If you were injured and can keep the gun in your hand, no matter how loosely youre holding it, it should still function, if you are pointing or aiming it, with your arm and wrist (mass) behind the gun.
What I think is going on, at least with the limp wrist thing, which I believe is an incorrect term, and nothing to do with "the wrist", is that people who have the problem, allow the gun and the arm itself, to move rearward with the recoil, and taking the mass behind the gun away with it. As long as I keep my arm behind the gun, and dont let it move rearward with recoil, the gun cycles fine, with absolutely no grip what so ever on the gun.
And as I said above, Im suspecting thats more the problem with BTF, than it is the gun. Maybe they are just allowing a little "give" when they shoot, and the gun isnt functioning as well as it should, yet it is still functioning. Just chucking that brass in a more random pattern.
From what Ive seen, both problems dont seem to happen with experienced shooters, using good technique. Its seems to usually be the people who are somewhat to totally inexperienced, and especially those who seem to be the least bit fearful of the gun, that are the ones who seem to have the most issues. Get them to get a firm grip on the gun, and more importantly, keep that arm from moving rearward under recoil, and I think youll see the problems go away.
Thats my story anyway, and Im sticking to it!
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Yes, I think one would we very well armed with a revolver living in Green Mountains of Vermont. It would even work in Burlington.
Now that reasonable answers to the OP have been provided and this discussion seems to have devolved into belittling the experience of others, I thing it is time to put this thread to bed
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