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Glock 19 and winchester 9mm NATO......

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Full Metal Jacket, Aug 30, 2010.

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  1. Full Metal Jacket

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    i've had this stuff empty shell stovepipe in 2 different glock 19's. i noticed the case rims and extractor channels are malformed, sometimes barely there. i've also seen black crud in the extractor channels. only ammo that's had this issue in my glocks.

    it's no wonder this stuff has proliferated the market recently....and i hope this is not what's being given to our soldiers :what:


    anyone else have an issue with this ammo in any of your guns? :eek:

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  2. Hangingrock

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    I had (4) boxes no issues with (2) Glock pistols and (1) S&W-MP during firing.
     
  3. Runningman

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    Could be a bad lot, what lot number? I got about 500 rounds of it 4 months ago it worked fine for me. All gone now. Accuracy wasn't as good as I typically get from 124 Gr loads though.
     
  4. Rock185

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    I have used a few thousand rounds of this Winchester NATO ammo in Glocks, Brownings, various S&W autos and two 547 revolvers, Kimbers, HK P7M8, various SIGs, a Ruger SP101 revolver and two Marlin camp carbines. I don't recall ever having a malfunction of any kind in any of these guns using the Win. Nato ammo, or any increased fouling. Chronographed velocities have been very consistant, one indicator of quality ammunition. If I were restricted to ball ammo, this would be my choice.

    I have reloaded a fair amount of the Win. NATO cases and have not come across any malformed rims or grooves or any other issues.

    I realize the next case of NATO I open could have issues, but have not seen any yet.
     
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    didn't keep the boxes. the pic is from google. i did fire them in two different g19's about a year apart, so i doubt it's a bad lot....
     
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    "Stovepiping" (failure to eject) in a Glock is usually something I would associate with weak ammo. Interesting.
     
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    Hey, long time

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    Have any idea on the current round counts on either Glocks return springs..?

    Just a thought - pushing +P ammo on, possibly, weakening springs.. timing's off.

    Like you said, and I would agree, hope this isn't an ongoing case with our military.


    Ls
     
  8. Full Metal Jacket

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    probably about 1,700 rounds through my current g19.
     
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    Could this stuff be rejected lots that they send to the civilian market? Anyways, shot a few boxes thru a G19 with no problems.
     
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    I tried it, no jams or malfunctions in my 92fs, but I did notice the black crud you mentioned and the accuracy issues someone else mentioned too. From now on all my bulk FMJ will be the orange/black box RWS 124gr. Now that is some fine target ammo, clean and accurate.
     
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    that's what i was thinking....



    wonder if i can shoot that at my local. (it must pass the magnet test)
     
  12. FatPants

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    Its good stuff, but it will not pass the magnet test unfortunately.
     
  13. Full Metal Jacket

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    oh that's too bad, heard good things. thanx for the info :)
     
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    I call BS. That bullet contains no steel or steel jacket.
     
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    Regarding Swiss RWS 9mm. YES! The bullets DO stick to magnets.
     
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    It is true. The RUAG/RWS 9mm 124 GR has a mild steel jacket and will stick to a magnet.
     
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    I thought the ammo in question was the winchester 9mm NATO, sorry didn't read the thread through. Either way it would be interesting to see if rifling reaches that steel jacket through the copper.
     
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    Does that mild steel jacket improve armor piercing capability to an appreciable degree?
     
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    No.

    In my experience (fired against 1/4" mild steel plate) it didn't produce dents any worse than copper jacketed 9mm ball I've fired, including Federal 115gr ball.
     
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    So to be armor piercing it must actually have a steel tip?
     
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    There is a difference between what is legally considered AP, and rounds that have AP performance.

     
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    Although not recently, I have shot many thousands of rounds of Winchester 9mm NATO ammo through Glock 19's, 17's and a variety of other pistols with no problems attributable to the ammo.
     
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    Were the firearms in stock configuration?
     
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    What magazines and followers are you using? I know (from personal experience with 124g Gold Dots) that the old 10-round magazine followers resulted in fairly regular nose-dives onto the feedramp. Glock has a strange habit of changing seemingly minor things like follower design with occasionally unpredictable results.

    That said, with standard capacity mags, I've put 500 rounds of this stuff through my G19 with nary a failure...
     
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