Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by ericp1, Aug 18, 2013.
I have a Glock 19 and have never had a issue...
Yes, you can 'make' a Glock jam. I can do it almost every time when I want to with my G17. However, it never does it when I'm not trying to. If you hold it loosely or weak arm it, it will jam for you. There is a YouTube video where the 2 guys are 'comparing' a Glock to an XD (I think) and if you pay attention to the shooters arms and hands, it's pretty damn obvious that he is either just bashing the Glock or he shouldn't be shooting at all. That being said, I love my G17, I'm not a large guy by any means but I do CC it all day sometimes and never have I been very bothered by it. My wife's G19 carries better. Both are 3rd gen.
I have held my smallest Glock (26) as loosely as I dared (didn't want to drop it or shoot myself) with only one finger around the grip using WWB 115gr FMJ and couldn't get it to malfunction.
It's the best balance between size, weight, features, parts and capacity available. I have tens of thousands of rounds through my various G19's. Make no mistake--they do jam occasionally. It's not something I worry about since I train on clearance drills.
Ugly? Nah, they're actually quite clean compared to many other models. They're certainly easy on the hands for all day shooting sessions.
Hi-Points are ugly, as are most HK's, CZ 75's and 52's, any Taurus semi-auto or revolver (check out a PT-22 with yellow frame), Heritage 22 caliber single action revolvers, all Kel-Tecs, plastic Kimbers, and that abortion of a pistol from Wilson Combat. The Diamondback DB series is nasty. The Ruger P-Series are just about the ugliest guns I have ever seen. The Ruger Super Redhawk with anything longer than a 2 1/2" barrel is very homely. Come to think of it, their LCR (and copycat S&W Bodyguard) looks like something my dog shat onto the ground. The SR series is also exceptional in its homeliness. Chiapa revolvers hurt my eyes. The Beretta Neo just needs to be burned and stomped. Governors and Judges should be banned by The Gun Fashion Police. The new Doubletap guns are quite gross. Whoever designed that double 1911 needs to be tried, convicted and hung by the neck until dead. FN 57? Barf! The Bren 10 is positively disgusting.
The ugliest gun touted as a service grade pistol is the SIG P250! AWFUL and they should have KNOWN better!
And you won't shoot a Glock because it's "ugly"? It's fair, at worst.
Maybe you'd prefer this:
Some people need a Colt:
I guess I was wrong about the SIG P250. That Colt wins the fugly award!
It's the best defensive handgun on the planet.
Mine has 10-8 sights, deck tape and beavertail. Holster by Cane and Derby. I run the storm lake barrel for lead reloads. I also filed the trigger down some to help with "glock knuckle".
The beavertail will be going away. I used it because I was transitioning from 1911s at the time and tended to ride my hand up a little high at first. Not a problem anymore.
Here is a writeup from a training class I did and it has more Glock usage/stoppage info:
This one has 4000 rounds and only one malfunction that was due to an out of spec reload of mine. It doesn't miss a beat.
With only 2000 rounds down
You can't go wrong with a G19. Been shooting them since they came out. It's a great gun to have in the collection.
You can buy the 26,19,17 for less than one of the popular custom SA pistols and have more dependable pistols shooting a wider variety of ammo.
What about a Glock 23 plus another barrel?
With the current ammo situation might I suggest a Glock 23 with a 9mm covertion barrel & a .357 sig barrel. If you join GSSF for $30 you can get a new Glock for $399 with 3 hicap magazines (this discount also applies to all First Responders). So for like $650 you have an awesome gun that can shoot 3 calibers & lead bullets. awesome! The only advantage of the gen 4 over gen 3 is that the gen 4 can be setup for lefties.
That's 3 standard capacity magazines.
I don't know if it is touted as "service grade" but the Walther PPX is giving the P250 a run for its money in the ugly department
I don't know about that. My Gen4 19 came with three 15 round magazines and I think the "slimmer" grip is a bit of an advantage in the "SF" feel area. And I prefer the texture of the Gen4 grips. My wife considers the add-on back straps an advantage.
It all just depends on what you feel is an advantage.
Speaking for myself, all I said about Glocks in this string is that I don't like them solely because of my admitted bias on their appearance.
However, I have said elsewhere that I won't own one...also because of my bias on their appearance. Not saying I won't ever shoot one, just that I won't own one.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and much like women (or men), everybody's got an opinion about what they do and don't like in appearances. That's a personal matter that I leave to the individual...because it only matters to him/her.
As for your pics...yes, I'd prefer the PA-15 over a Glock just based on appearances.
And I like the PT-22, though I would rather not have the yellow coloring (or any other weird coloring scheme).
The Tauris semi-autos are likewise esthetically pleasing to me.
As you've so elegantly pointed out, there is a great deal of variety in personal opinion on appearances...which is fine, because there is a great deal of variety out there to choose from.
I have a Glock 23 and love it. Same dimensions as Glock 19, so just as concealable, but a bit more kick from the .40 caliber ammo.
My suggestion: Go to your gun/outdoors store and look for 9mm ammo, both target and defensive. Then search for .40 s&w ammo, both target and defensive. My guess is that you will find almost no 9mm target, and no 9mm defensive whatsoever. I also predict you will find substantial amounts of .40 target, and adequate amounts of .40 defensive. This may weigh heavily in your consideration of a Glock 19 vs. 23.
The Glock 19 is an excellent handgun. It has decent capacity and power, is big enough to shoot comfortably but small enough to conceal. Mags and accessories aren't difficult to find. The trigger is acceptable--right weight, consistent, short reset--and mine has been 100% reliable for what is rapidly approaching 2500 rounds. My only complaint about my Glock 19 is the same complaint I have with my Glock 20 and Glocks in general--they are a little more difficult for some people, including myself, to shoot well. They have a different grip angle than most handguns, so they point differently, and that takes some getting used to. If you can shoot it well though, the Glock 19 is an excellent representative of the breed that I can highly recommend.
The Glock 19 is a fine gun. For defensive purposes, it does just what it was designed for. It is reasonably priced and reliable.
The GLOCK 19 is one of the best all round packages of size, capacity, accuracy, reliability, shootability, and balance ever made. I would go for the Gen3 as well. Unless you need a smaller grip, the Gen3 is just a better platform for the 9mm.
Why on earth would I trust my life to a device that must be cleaned and examined microscopically before it can be trusted?
I'm at a Glock crossroads. I have spent the last year getting into some budget 1911's. Man, I shoot those well. However, my reliability track record with the platform has been less than stellar. Maybe I need to buy one that costs $1000+, but that's not happening for a good long while. I can't get them to run well enough to give me the warm and fuzzies about carrying one.
I've owned three Glocks and I find them incredibly boring and unsexy. "Soulless" would be a good way to describe them. But damn, do they run and run and run and run. Never a hiccup. Never a feed issue. My 36, 26, and 21 have all been flawless. Flawless enough that I'm thinking about trading out of my 1911s and finding a 30 to take my 21 mags.
To be honest, short of my revolvers, I don't think I've had another brand of gun that didn't give me SOME ftf/fte/whater...except my Glocks.
I have never wanted to love Glocks, but they just give me too many reasons to NOT gravitate toward them. My 26 has been a constant companion in some very iffy areas, and I have felt very well armed.
To me, guns are tools; it's just that simple. I suppose I can find a case for this hammer being sexy or that screwdriver being elegant, but in the end they're just tools. They're a means to an end and not the end in itself. I like them, I respect them and I take care of them but in the end they are are just objects that bring me a certain pleasure using them.
I have Glock 19 since 1991-2. Zero jams. When it really matters its with me. When I am questioning on what I should carry in some sticky occasions it happens to be it- even though I do have many others. I think enough said.
"Speaking for myself, all I said about Glocks in this string is that I don't like them solely because of my admitted bias on their appearance.
However, I have said elsewhere that I won't own one...also because of my bias on their appearance. Not saying I won't ever shoot one, just that I won't own one."
Pretty guns like Kimber 1911's are for showing your friends. Glocks are for showing your enemies.
I guess it all comes down to your reason for owning a particular gun.
I don't own a gun even remotely like a Kimber 1911. The closest I come, in fact, is a Colt 1991A1, factory original.
I own several guns...currently counting 3 handguns in the lot. I bought each for a different reason...but appearances did play a role in each purchase.
Granted, appearances alone was not the deciding factor. A gun can be the most beautiful object I've ever seen, but if it isn't comfortable in my hand then I won't buy it.
Would I ever buy a Kimber 1911? Maybe, maybe not. They're certainly beautiful, in my opinion. But there are other factors that weigh in even with a Kimber...cost being one of them.
If Glock would ever make a gun that I'd consider esthetically pleasing, then I'd consider getting one. But so long as they look like an unattractive, blocky chunk I'll always look to something else more attractive to me which will meet my needs.
My first choice in a Glock was the G22 (.40) over the 17. I have since bought a 26 with night sites off a friend and guess what? I bought a 9MM conversion barrel for my 22 and some 17 mags and now I have one pistol and two calibers.
Bottom line, get the Glock, you won't be sorry.
The 19 is a fine pistol, but a full size, as mentioned earlier, will be easier to shot with the full size grip.
I had a Glock 19, it wasn't reliable. Much prefer my Beretta PX4 Storm, reliable, soft-shooting and actually has a safety.
How was it not reliable?
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