Glock 30 with light loads? Just tried one and No Go in my case. Heavy loads kick hard

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  1. 777funk

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    I shot a Glock 30 for (first time shooting a Glock) yesterday and I honestly didn't like it. I expected it to be the pistol designed to perfection with very little recoil, no failures to feed and shoots more accurately than other guns.

    For me none of those were true. I first used WWB 230 ball and it functioned great but kicked like a mule. It felt like it was about to self destruct compared to a normal length all metal autoloader (P90, or 1911 etc). Not smooth at all and I didn't enjoy the feel as I was shooting it. It was like cutting a tree down with a Stihl chainsaw then switching to a Poulan Walmart saw. That's the best comparison to how it felt in my hands vs steel 45's I've shot.

    Then I switched to 200 LSWC's with medium light charge weights and once again I was disappointed. It failed to eject every one of them. Apparently the recoil springs on these are designed for full power or defensive loads only. Sure, that's nice and after all it is a 45... but what about the guys that shoot for enjoyment and practice and prefer to not be blasting away for hundreds of rounds at a time. It looks like there's only a slightly weaker spring available (wolff has a 15 instead of a 17 lb spring) but even still, slightly weaker is the key word there, it may not do the trick for light loads (curious on feedback here). I'd expect to still have issues if I were to shoot light loads as a staple.

    Curious if maybe I'm overlooking something here. Maybe I should try a G17 or G19? All I know is in .45acp, metal guns feel better in my hands than the G30. Maybe the G21 would be a little more like the full size metal 45's I've shot in the past. I know the guide rod and spring is more similar in length and style to a 1911 etc than the dual spring captive rod in the G30.
     
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  2. YZ

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    Let's go point by point.
    Your expectation was false. Even Glock has never advertised very little recoil in a 45. Perhaps you gave someones bluster too much credit.
    A heavier modern pistol will recoil less than a lighter one. There is no magic to Glock in that regard. While it is true that polymer absorbs some recoil, the main help comes from the shooting technique. Grip, stance, trigger management.
    That ammo is not for Glock. It is primarily useful for targets in a 1911. It does favor lighter springs. The Colt Gold Cup, for example. comes with a separate spring just for the lighter SWC ammo. Besides, Glock recommends no lead bullets, but that is another topic.
    Maybe, maybe not. You won't know until you try. Springs are cheap. There are always variations among individual firearms of the same model (Glocks are generally more uniform) The way to go is to develop a better shooting technique. Ammo is not a solution. And even then you may still dislike the Glock. Many shooters do, and they choose something else.
     
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    I saw your edit.
    There will be no more similarity to a 1911 because of the single spring. The Glock is a different shooting system entirely. On average, a 9mm will kick less, but will not necessarily be more accurate. You won't know until you try.
     
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    If standard 230gr ball kicks like mule for you, I'd say drop back to the 9mm and call it good. No reason to beat yourself up if you don't have to.

    The gun may just not fit your hand well and it's hitting you wrong, which would make the felt recoil worse. Just a guess. Try a S&W M&P (or similar) in .45 and see if it's any different.
     
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    You fell for that old Glock advertising slogan too??

    A 23 ounce .45 ACP is going to kick, and I don't care if Glock made it, or anyone else.
    It's simple high school physics.

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    I had heard how nice they were since the polymer frame acts as a shock abosorber, etc etc...

    metal 45's for me I guess. Harsh is the best way to describe the G30 in my opinion after shooting metal guns with normal long guidrods. I'm not sure it's really something I want to get used to. When I say 'kicks like a mule', I don't mean I can't take it, it's different in a handgun. It's not like a 12 GA or 30-06 etc where after a long day I have a sore shoulder, but it's just not a pleasant thing. Compared to what I'm used to, the recoil is harsh. On the metal guns it feels like a smooth opperating machine. This feels like a day at a batting cage with a hard wood ball bat without batting gloves. There's just a rough feel to it... and I usually like the feel of autoloader recoil. I like the looks and size of the G30, but shooting it... that's where the problem comes in for me. It'd be a defensive gun only and one that would be a chore to practice with instead of a recreational activity. It seems perfect in a lot of ways but how it shoots is at the top of the priority list.

    I don't suppose the light loads stand any chance of opperating a G30? They run in other 45's just fine but the G30 was a no go during my testing... it was not even thinking about it.
     
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    hehehe thats why my .45 is 44oz empty.

    i have both a g19 and a g26. the 26 works better for me
     
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    Is that Glock fitting nice and tight into the web of you hand? A good grip and solid stance will mange that recoil.
     
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    No, they won't.

    You bought a lightweight, big bore gun designed for one thing.

    Maximum power in a small carry package.

    That's what you got, exactly.
    Ahhh! It was Glock Perfection after all!!


    Face it, if you want a comfortable range gun, you need to go standard size, or go home.

    BTW: A full length guide rod has nothing at all to do with it, except adding an ounce or so more weight.

    And weight is good if you can't handle the sharp recoil in a light big bore gun.

    rc
     
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    I will check it out with a 15lb Wolff Spring/Rod and see what it does.
     
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    Just remember Glock no like lead. Polygonal barrel.
     
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    My G30 didn't like my "target" loads, and jammed when one-handing it with a flashlight.

    Zero problems with "full power" loads. I realize recoil is subjective, but I haven't noticed it being punishing. It's more pleasant to me than the .40 glocks shooting full-power loads. Both jump around a bit.
     
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    It's a carry gun, only used when you have to protect you life or someone else's. It's impossible to make a gun that light with mild recoil.
    Having been brought up carrying revolvers, "snubbys" for carry purposes, the 30 worked fine for me up to my 50's, now 10 years later, not so much, but if I had to pull it, I wouldn't notice the recoil, as I would be pumping adrenaline too fast to worry about it. It is not a range, or fun type gun. All these small 45's are going to kick.
     
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    I did not shoot this for posting. The G30 happens to be my bedside f/a. It is my 2nd G30. The 1st I sold for funds, but also because I was shooting it poorly. In a few yrs decided to give it "a shot" again. Took practice training and competing. I know the feeling u have exactly.

    This was Remington 230 gr FMJ, 3 mag string. BTW there are jacketed SWCs. May be a little hard to find. Magtech has been selling them.
     

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    Its all subjective and what one is used to. I use my G30 for carry and weekly defensive practice. I even plink and target shoot with it. I've logged over 13k reloads and most were in the 830-850fps range. Personally, I could not imagine a softer shooting 45 but I've yet to fire any other gun in that caliber.
     
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    G36 is my daily BUG, no problems.

    Do 3 sets of 35 push ups a day,:eek: to firm up your little girly wrists.
     
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    Ha powder and I figured I'd eventually get a few comments like that.

    It's not like I can't handle it. Once you get used to a nice metal gun and tailor a load that does what you want to do (200 gr LSWC and say 4 gr of Red Dot), you get spoiled by the smooth operation.

    It's like sitting on a lazy boy reclined vs sitting in an old school desk. Nothing wrong with the kick but I guess I'm spoiled from comfortable easy target shooting 45's. It was a little bit of a let down going from that to the old school desk feel of the G30 in comparison after I had it all built up in my mind based on what I'd read and talking to friends or relatives who've shot Glocks.
     
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    With a full-size all-steel 1911, recoil is a relief because it takes some of the weight of the boat anchor off your arms. :D

    I carried and shot 1911s for three decades, and now carry Glocks. For range use, the 1911 is great, but for CCW shorter and lighter is better. I love shooting my G30. It was the first Glock I found that I could shoot well. I also love shooting 1911s. And G21s. Each has it's intended purpose, and they can all cover for each other in a pinch. I shoot Glocks on the range because I carry Glocks everywhere else.

    Try a 3" alloy-framed 1911 sometime, and the G30 won't seem so bad. I typically shoot 250-300 rounds through my G30 at a range session, and try to do that monthly.
     
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    It has nothing to do with light loads.
    The Glock 30 does not function well with SWCs at any power level.
    They feed fine, but during the extraction cycle the spent case bumps shoulder of the SWC of the top round in the mag and the extractor loses it's grip. This is a well documented problem with G30s, and was the reason I sold mine. (I have several thousand plated and jacketed SWC on hand)
    Light loads do work (for me anyway), but you need TC's or round noses and you need a slight crimp. It will fail to extract on some factory rounds if they have rough case mouths and no crimp (Mag-tech).
    Both my G-30 and G-29 worked very well with light loads and a firm grip. I also think they are pretty soft recoiling considering their weight.
     
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    Interesting PO2, that makes sense. It's hard to see what's going on in an auto because it all happens in a split second. I love shooting LSWC... so that's a bummer but that's good to know. Also good to know about the crimps.

    I may try some 200gr Bear Creek RNHB and see how they do.
     
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    Yeah, I like the SWC's too. I think the .45 caliber, 200 grain SWC is the best all around bullet for auto loaders.
    And I really like the G-30, too bad they don't get along.
     
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    Yeah, just kiddin around.

    I appreciate what youre gettin at, I have lots of .45s, 1911s and Glocks. Each have their pros and cons.

    Look to the Gen 4 RSA for an improved feel-my gen 3 G36 has one and it is LazyBoy all day...
     
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    So the Gen4 recoil spring assembly is different I take it? I wonder if it's lighter? I know they had a recall on their new captive springs in some Gen 4 guns probably due to failure to eject fast enough when not using heavy loads.

    and ha ha, I can take the girly wrists jab and the reminder to do a few extra pushups... lol.
     
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    Gen 4 spring is no lighter than others. It is expected to last longer.
     
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    You'd have to double-check, I've not kept up with the various production gens, and which pistols got what RSAs.

    A few weeks ago I ran a buddies gen 4 .40 compact. (G27?)

    Unfamiliar to me, new 2 stage RSA, rounds on target at 100yds.. Yes, 100 yds.
     
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