Glock and Concealed Carry: Round in chamber or no?

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Quote by havoc7usmc: WOW!!! To many real gun fighters on this post.

Ill say I sure wish some would chime in and say he should be carrying a 1911, and God forbid, cocked and locked.

Its a Glock, the most prolific handgun in Law Enforcement today. These things have a service record that speaks for itself and I highly doubt any of those guys carried one without one ready in the hole.
 
Cocked & locked

The only time I don't have one in the tube is when I fly. But that's my paranoia. It's not that I doubt my capabilities but it's some of the "less then law abiding people", that may have a knack of seeing the print of a firearm. Like I said, that's my paranoia, any other time it's loaded. I carried the 1911 for 10 years before we went to the M9. So in short. I'm comfortable running, jumping and crawling (except in airports) when it comes to "locked & cocked".
But I am amazed at how many people, including LEO's, blame the glock for negligent discharges You will not believe how many unreported negligent discharges Customs Officers had when they went to the glock...of course they blamed the gun.
 
The only time I don't have my any of my Glocks chambered is when they are in the house. Part of that is because I frequenty practice/fondle with them and having to unload then reload the chamber would be really annoying. However if it is on me and I alone am in complete control of it, it will be chambered.
 
One in the chamber?

No, not I. Like the safety of an empty-chamber, and like that it takes only a frightening slide-slam to make an assailant crap-his-pants. Psychological effect is golden. Let them hear the hammer close upon a live round. I kill ONLY when no other channel exists within a split-second of reality. Shooting to wound is a military-dilemma, that must disappear swiftly. Considering that an assailant must die is ALWAYS a split-second decision. I ALWAYS preserve life for court decisions when PRACTICAL. cliffy
 
im not going to say i have killed as many people as anyone else here (sarcasm intended) but the split second of reality can be a split second too late.

What military dilemma? I always thought we were being trained to kill because killing the enemy is the surest way that they are not going to kill us.
 
Military dilemma? Kill or be killed. What dilemma?

If you are afraid of a ready to go Glock then buy one of the SA/DA pistols with a decocker and learn to trust the decocker.

I have two like that around the house - an old Smith M469 chambered using decock and needing it's long DA pull to fire, and a Sig 232 in the same state, but I carry my G19 chambered. It may have a 5 lb letoff but something would have to pull through the first stage to get to that 5 lb breakpoint.
 
If you are afraid of carrying a Glock with one in the chamber then you should not carry a Glock. You will get use to it as time goes on.

I good holster in a must. Anybody that carries a Glock chambered without a holster is crazy in my book. Sorry but that is an accident waiting to happen. Of course this is all my personal opinion and others may see it differently.
 
From cliffy:
No, not I. Like the safety of an empty-chamber, and like that it takes only a frightening slide-slam to make an assailant crap-his-pants. Psychological effect is golden.
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Can you draw from concealment and cycle the slide in the time it takes a man to run to within striking distance of you from 21 feet? I suggest that you try it and practice.

If not, I think you're probably better off trying to out-run your assailant.

I prefer to dispense with the added step.
 
Tell the DA you carry for 'psychological effect', and see how that gets you. (All the way to prison, probably.) If you had time to do anything other than draw and shoot, indeed, you PLANNED to have time to be able to do something other than draw and shoot, it opens the possibility that A: you might have had time to something besides shoot, and B:You therefore were carrying to scare people rather than use your firearm only for critical self-defense. Think like a lawyer, and when you realize you're in over your head, consult one. (WHICH YOU SHOULD DO ANYWAY IF YOU CARRY. If you can't afford a retainer, at least pre-arrange with a good field-experienced lawyer and make sure you have insurance that will come close to covering his fee.)

Remember, your sidearm is something you use when everything else has gone wrong. You can't assume you will get in the first shot. OR THE FIRST HIT. Or that you will be operating at full capacity, physically or mentally. You can't assume that your weak hand won't be on a steering wheel, forcing back an attacker while you draw, wounded, OR STOPPING BLEEDING ON A SUCKING CHEST WOUND.
 
I routinely carry a Glock G26 in a IWB kydex holster with a round chambered. People who feel compelled to carry their firearm empty should probably re-evaluate their choice of weapon and their decision to carry. IMO, the Saf-T-Blok is a very, very bad idea. It is fairly easy to dislodge this device when holstering the weapon - rendering it ineffective as a safety. I also think the Saf-T-Blok could interfere with the effective presentation and use of the weapon.
 
I sometimes carry an XD45(a lot like the glock, just with the extra safety of the grip safety) and when I do carry it, I carry it chambered and topped off. Its perfectly safe inside of a holster.
 
I carry my Glock in C-3. The only time in my life that I carried in C-0 I was returning from a long afternoon at the range. I stopped at a local Shop-Rite Supermarket to pick something up; and, as I walked down an aisle, I tripped and fell over a chair. As I pitched forward onto my face, the arm of this chair stripped my C-0 Glock out of my OTB Kydex holster and flipped that fully charged pistol a good 4' away from me. Happily, my C-0 Glock landed on the hard linoleum floor without going off. (Whew!) :uhoh:

The woman whom the muzzle ended up pointing at never said a word to me; she just stared in disbelief! However, the man standing behind her didn't quite feel the same way. :fire: The long and short of it is that accidents do happen! (Even to the most careful of people!) That is the last time I ever carried a Glock in C-0. Can you imagine what might have happened if my Glock had landed in accord with the DEA's test protocols from a height greater than 3' up, with the muzzle spinning, and onto a hard surface? (Actually, that almost DID happen!)

Everybody was very lucky that afternoon. All it takes is two hands and no more than an additional .35 second to complete a Mossad draw. As far as I'm concerned that's a small price to pay for; 'Doing unto others as you would want them to do unto you.' I continue to feel bad about what happened that afternoon. I wish I could say that I've forgiven myself; but, I haven't. As far as I'm concerned, it is just The Hand Of God that prevented something far more serious from occurring with my C-0 Glock.

Carry however you will; there's no law against it. Me? Unless they're rioting in the streets, I'm not ever going to carry a fully charged Glock like that again. ;)
 
If the trigger is so light you are afraid to carry with a round in the chamber get rid of it i understand your concern but if you carry a weapon not loaded and one without one in the chamber isn't loaded you are not prepare to use it if the need for it come up.

Be Safe
 
actually garret machine has a very good video of the idf draw.remember,these people trust this system and their dealing with threats on a daily basis that we can only imagine.
 
No, not I. Like the safety of an empty-chamber, and like that it takes only a frightening slide-slam to make an assailant crap-his-pants. Psychological effect is golden. Let them hear the hammer close upon a live round. I kill ONLY when no other channel exists within a split-second of reality. Shooting to wound is a military-dilemma, that must disappear swiftly. Considering that an assailant must die is ALWAYS a split-second decision. I ALWAYS preserve life for court decisions when PRACTICAL. cliffy
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After having gone through actual shooting scenarios in police training (with simunition guns) had the gun not had one in the pipe, I would have not made it out "alive". Under stress you need a gun to do what you want it to do. If you need to take a shot, you need the camber loaded. The last thing you need to do is pull the trigger only to realize that the weapon is not hot, and then have to rack the action to be able to take a shot.

Realize that if your in a situation were you draw on another person that has a gun, that they will often respond in a manner to protect their life, which is to shoot at you. Carrying without a round in the pipe is about the same is carrying a air pistol. The whole psychological effect will get you killed as well. Under stress people get tunnel vision, and your hearing tends to go away. Someone thats robbing a store probably wouldn't even hear a shotgun racking if they are fighting with the clerk.

A lot of people don't realize how hard it is to be able to perform under stress. It really comes down to training, and unless some of you are spending a lot of time drawing, racking the action, the shooting, you are asking to be killed. Not to mention you are introducing the possibility of a failure to feed in the process. A properly functioning glock in a proper holster is not anymore dangerous with a round in the chamber. If you have poor trigger discipline, limited to no weapon training, and or you don't believe you could pull the trigger in self defense then you shouldn't be CCWing. Thats my opinion.
 
Because Glocks have a drop safety I don't think it going off because of a loss of altitude is of much concern.

I mean I still don't want it dropped for a lot of reasons, one being just in case. However I am confident that it will not go off if it were to fall from my hip.
 
Ok, I'd better put on my flameproof suit for what I'm aout to say....

Maybe Glocks just aren't the prefect pistol for everyone. If you're uncomfortable with a short, light trigger pull and no safety, then get another pistol... definately don't be experimenting with funny safety devices that mount inside the trigger guard. :scrutiny:

A few suggestions:
Springfield XD - similar to a Glock trigger, but with a passive grip safety
1911 - even shorter trigger pull, but with a grip safety AND a manual safety
Sig - Decocker, long heavy 1st trigger pull as a safety

Find something you're comfortable with.
 
Pocket Carry chambered

No one has yet mentioned (I think) pocket carrying a GLOCK. I'm of the opinion that the GLOCK which is pocket carried should have an empty chamber. Pocket holsters, and the mechanics of drawing from a pocket, do not give much trigger safety.

Also, no one has talked about the dangers of carrying in a pocket while rearing a family. My grandchildren have their hands everywhere, and sometimes kids will stick their hands in YOUR pockets to see what is there, or just for the heck of it. In such a case, carrying a GLOCK with one in the chamber would be dangerous.

So, for pocket carry, let's not carry GLOCKS with chambered rounds, especially if you come into much contact with kids. Just my opinion.
 
In the army

I recently had this discussion with an army major, who has been deployed to Iraq twice. He was convinced that there is never a reason to have a round chambered, as it is unsafe. I got him to admit that it's not the practice that's unsafe, it's the average undertrained soldier.
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No disrespect to anyone who has ever worn the uniform, as I have, but the military developes a lot of tactics, techniques, procedures, safety rules, et cetera based on the ability of the lowest common denominator. Furthermore, different weapons behave very differently. For example I would never walk around with an M16 and one in the chamber. All you have to do is bump the but of the gun into something, and BANG. The military has to keep it simple. They cannot have different sets of rules for every weapon, and expect that everyone remeber all of those rules all of the time. So basically they are told over and over again that it is unsafe to have a weapon with a round in the chamber. Hell, before you walk off of a range someone shoves a damn rod down your barrel just to make sure you are not being an idiot.

There are very few units that operate outside of this hyper-safety-pc-babersitter mentality. Those are the units where they have already weeded out the lowest common denominator. Only then will you find that everyone does not echo the same set of standards, but then again those are the same merit based communities that hand you a "noose" if you so wish to hang yourself. You don't get a whole lot of F&*k ups before you are out.
 
Not a glock carrier OR a glock fan... nothing against the pistol, I know it is reliable and as safe as anything else if you know your weapon and are safe with it... the grip angle just throws me way off.
This being stated, I wouldnt feel unsafe at all carrying one in a proper holster. And by proper holster I mean one that covers the trigger and has a method of retention.
This is my rule with ANY holster, both my S&W .44 and my 1911 holsters follow this.
The thunder ranch .44 rides in a galco silhouette with a thumb break strap.
The RIA Match 1911 rides in a Bianchi Carrylok.
The 1911 is carried cocked and locked, and I have NO fears of a ND with it... unless I do something stupid.
I equate the trigger safety on the glock with the grip safety on the 1911, I have accidentally wiped the thumb safety on the 1911 while doing strenuous activities... and my reaction was no more than "Huh, safety is off" and flicked it back on.
I didnt feel any added fear that it was going to magically go off just sitting there.
I keep my bugger hook off the bang switch until I have target acquisition.
For someone not properly trained, or someone who just doesnt follow proper safety procedures... the glock isnt a good choice.
Now, that being said... NO gun is a proper choice for that person.
If I one day end up owning a glock, it will ride in a proper holster with a round chambered.
I may not have the time or ability to rack the slide when I need it... and it doesnt make that good of a club.


Jim
 
in reqponse to the thread title... absolutely one in the pipe. you may not always have the time or the free hand to rack the slide.
 
I havent read the whole thread, so this may be redundant.

My G30 (admittedly pretty new<200 rounds) is so hard to rack I would have very little confidence in being able to chamber a round in distress. ...and i'm 6'6" 230lbs, so its not like im weak.
 
exactly. and your weak hand may be busy holding valuables, or pushing/pulling a loved one out of the way. you should always put some time aside for practicing weak hand and strong hand shooting, drawing from concealment, and racking the slide and reloading with one hand. don't forget to use snap caps nad also do some dry fire practice once in a while.
 
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