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"Glock Blocking" - a Student News Editorial

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by ZeSpectre, Sep 8, 2008.

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  1. ctdonath

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    It occurs to me...

    A popular aphorism is "be courteous, be polite, and have a plan to kill everyone you meet."
    From there...
    Be aware that everyone who is courteous and polite may also have a plan to kill you.

    Just another way to illustrate the absurdity of expecting everyone to cooperate with the "no weapons" meme.
     
  2. JCMAG

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    Good show, Spectre. The above bit I thought was particularly well crafted. The art of changing hearts and minds is formed in wit and intelligence as well as poetry. Approved for transmission.
     
  3. Meowhead

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    I'd keep my reply really short.

    To the Author of the Editorial 'Glock Blocking:'

    Please justify your assumption that an individual intent on mass murder would obey a sign prohibiting the carrying of firearms.

    Love,
    Me

    P.S. I don't really love you
     
  4. thebucket

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    I submitted a reply to the article to the opinion editor and it got published! Here's the link to the article, http://www.thebreeze.org/2008/09-11/op7.html
    At least the paper is publishing both sides of the argument.
     
  5. spuscg

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    anyone who would be dangerous carrying a gun in school already is
     
  6. Wes Janson

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    My response:

     
  7. Larry E

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    That little anti-gun screed just goes to show that education doesn't often produce anything approaching intelligent thought.

    As for the rest of us, it's obvious that we don't believe that murderers obey all the wonderful laws designed to protect us from ourselves. Thankfully!
     
  8. TwitchALot

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    Obviously this author is more than a little confused. SCCC does not focus on the idea that a carrying a gun will mean you will never have to use it. That would be patently absurd because a gun (ie. an inanimate object) is not a magic talisman that automatically makes you safe. Similarly, a no guns sign is not a magic talisman that creates a force field that prevents anyone with a gun from passing it. But that should be obvious.

    It's also curious that gun control advocates find their impetus in statistical outliers - though the Virginia Tech and Northern Illinois University shootings were horrific, are they truly valid bases for widespread policy?

    In fact, given the fact that 12,682 people were killed in the United States in 2005 (out of a population of 296,507,061, which translates to .004% of the population) by people using firearms in a homicide or legal intervention according to the CDC, it's curious that gun control advocates consider themselves to have any valid base for widespread policy at all. Especially when you consider the fact that 45,343 people were killed in the United States in 2005 unintentionally in motor vehicle deaths (there were 789 unintentional firearms death in 2005).

    Given that, and the fact that numerous other things that cause far more deaths in the United States every year than firearms (even when suicides are included), one would think that anyone seriously concerned about public safety would be investing more time, effort, and money into ensuring that cars, for example, don’t accidentally kill people.

    Well, considering that thousands of armed citizens with concealed weapons go about their lives on a daily basis all over the nation, and blood has yet to run on the streets, and OK Corral shootouts over petty disagreements have yet to materialize, I think it stacks up pretty well. But I wouldn’t let the truth- the fact that despite fantasies of such by gun control advocates regarding concealed carry and castle doctrine laws dozens, if not hundreds, of times are still just fantasies— get in the way.

    Well, I would be lying if I said that shooting wasn’t fun. But no decent human being carries a gun itching to shoot someone. And no intelligent human being enjoys spending thousands of dollars on lawyers to ensure that he is not sent to jail for defending himself. As John Farnam wisely stated, “Winning a gunfight, or any other potentially injurious encounter, is financially and emotionally burdensome. The aftermath will become your full-time job for weeks or months afterward, and you will quickly grow weary of writing checks to lawyer(s). It is, of course, better than being dead or suffering a permanently disfiguring or disabling injury, but the "penalty" for successfully fighting for your life is still formidable.”

    What is strange is that last time I checked, I never saw anyone argue that campus or other police officers should be disarmed. I also never saw anyone argue that no one should call 911 in the event of a shooting.

    Make no mistake about it. Gun control advocates often have little issue with the thought of allowing loaded, lethal weapons on campus (or anywhere else, for that matter). They just have an issue with ordinary citizens having one.

    Again, I have not seen anyone argue that police officers should be disarmed. Because until they are, any student and faulty or staff member IS already within firing range at any given point.
     
  9. belus

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    http://www.azfamily.com/news/homepa...news-091008-asu-armed-robberies.61f5e5a0.html

    edit: No private citizen can legally carry on a college campus in Arizona. There was a pre-meditated shooting at a community college here a couple months back too. Nobody was killed though.
     
  10. mljdeckard

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    Titan 6 beat me to it. Silence absolutely is consent.
     
  11. Steve Raacke

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    Amen. Let's focus on the everyday needs. I carry on campus for the same reasons I carry off campus. Simple as that.
     
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  12. Harley Quinn

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    I feel ccw is a good thing if it is reasonable and practical...The break down is when things go out of control, and all you folks that talk about standing or hiding and shooting the criminal for the sake of the good really need to truly understand the complexity of carring a weapon and taking the responsibility for it rather than feel all should have that right...

    Talk about some folks just not getting it, reminds me of the movie "Tombstone" we all know what happened there, or maybe we don't.

    Move to AZ like a lot of people have, because they want to carry :what:

    :uhoh:;)
     
  13. ZeSpectre

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    The Debate Continues...Two More Articles

    Two more opinion pieces in the campus newspaper. One pro, One con.
    Both were printed side by side in a fair and equal manner. I'm impressed with the "Breeze" for it's impartiality so far.

    CONCEALED CARRY ON CAMPUS
    After recent school shootings, current campus gun policies have drawn fire


     
  14. Cmdr. Gravez0r

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    Media-induced obloviating. I wonder if he knows what that means?

    Can I be allowed a moment to feel superior? Thank you.
     
  15. torpid

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    Ooooookaaay...

    I'm shocked!
     
  16. ZeSpectre

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    Yeah Torpid, I hit the same "logic" and wondered if she'd actually lay her life down for some scum because he was of "equal value".
     
  17. CypherNinja

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    My thought on seeing that statement was that someone shooting in defense is shooting to stop the attacker from doing something, so it's not a "value" judgment at all. The defender obviously feels their life is "valuable" enough to fight for, but in that situation the "value" of the attackers life is irrelevant. All that matters is what the attacker is doing.
     
  18. Oana

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    Ah-ha. Herein, she reveals that she has completely not grasped the situation. She views someone defending their life as meting out vengeance, instead of simply protecting themselves. I believe she has a serious case of misunderstanding and projection here - she assumes that just because *she* wished vengeance upon her aunt's killer, then *everyone* who wants a gun must be out to kill and destroy without an ounce of forgiveness or understanding of humanity.

    I don't think it's coincidence that so many anti-gun advocates experienced gun-related trauma. It's colored their logic to an astonishing degree.

    Another point: she's assuming a 1-for-1, even-death scenario. She's forgetting that if the guy that started everything *wins*, he's liable to not only kill the 1 innocent, but dozens - maybe now, maybe later if he escapes.

    I really, really hate to bring up WWII in a discussion for fear of invoking Godwin's Law, but...would she have said the same thing about the Jews defending their lives in the Warsaw ghetto?! This sort of abstract thinking is great in the warm & cozy world of academia, but absolutely terrible in practice.

    Perhaps she wouldn't mind if the responding police shrugged their shoulders, said, "Hey, it isn't our job to make big moral decisions, not at this rate of pay," and sat back to wait out a school shooting?
     
  19. elvis christ

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    I find it curious that when something like the VT shootings occurs, gun grabbers use what is an isolated event to call for widespread policy implementations, in the form of regulating firearms and firearms rights. Kind of a double standard, eh?
     
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