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Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by GunMac, Jan 28, 2008.

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  1. 3rdpig

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    Some simple facts.

    No semi auto with a tilt barrel system that I'm aware of has full case support. It's just the nature of the beast.

    A KB isn't when the bottom of the case blows out and forces the magazine out of the gun. A true KB blows up the gun.

    I've never seen a Glock KB that wasn't ammo related.

    I've never seen a Glock KB that lead me to believe the gun fired OOB.

    You can fire reloads all day in your Glock, I've put thousands through mine, including the .40, and including lead bullets. It's when you screw up you're in trouble.

    Bad ammo can and will blow up any gun.

    Firing a full power round after a squib load can and will blow up any gun.

    You can shoot lead bullets in your Glock, even with the stock barrel, as long as you make sure to keep the lead from building up. That said, if you're going to shoot lead you're better off with an aftermarket barrel with land and groove rifling.

    Most true KB's in Glocks have occured with the .40 S&W guns. It might be worth your time (assuming you're interested in factual information and not just Glock bashing) to research the history of the .40 S&W cartridge and the guns it's chambered in. It might lead you to understand the situation better.

    I'd go on, but some of you don't care about the truth, some of you are just interested in bashing Glocks, and to be honest I don't give a rat's backside whether you do that or not, I'm just interested in people understanding that the truth is out there but sometimes you've got to separate it out from all the noise around it.
     
  2. golden

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    My Agency Experience

    My agency still uses the GLOCK, but is replacing it with the H&K.

    Previous experience with the GLOCK had the gun overpressuring when the barrel became constricted with lead build up. The mags were blown out and the popped open.

    No one was injured and the fault was traced to a mixture of lead ammo (WHICH GLOCK SAYS NOT TO USE IN GLOCK PISTOLS) and the polygonal rifling that GLOCK. H&K also used this type of rifling, but the H&K 2000 I was issued has regular grove rifling.

    The reports that I saw all pointed to lead ammo as the culprit. I have also heard, but not verified that .40 caliber guns are more likely to have this problem than 9m.m. pistols.

    A simple solution is to use only jacketed ammo. If you reload or use reloads, then just use BALL or FMJ (FULL METAL JACKET) ammo for practice and JACKETED HOLLOW POINT for protection. This is what I do with all my centerfire semi-auto's.

    For the record, I think the GLOCK is a fine gun. I carried it for many years.

    Jim
     
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    Mr.510 Says, In Part...

    "...It's now 11.62% of polled Glock owners that have personally experienced a KB."

    And the one guy I pinned down on it, also admitted to shooting lead reloads... :banghead:

    Safely said, 99% of all Glock KBs are ammo related. ;)

    --Ray
     
  5. easyg

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    Mr.510, Golly gee, I guess you're right....those Glocks are just too dangerous for someone like yourself.

    I mean, you would have to be a maniac to shoot a Glock!

    Trust me, you're better off leaving those Glocks alone and shooting something that's not so dangerous, like a 1911.....oh wait, I've heard that they can KB too.
    Well, maybe a S&W.....no, I've seen pictures of S&W pistols that have KBed as well.

    I got it!
    Just stick to a Daisey air-pistol and you will be perfectly safe....so long as you wear your safety-glasses.;)

    Good luck, pal!
     
  6. NGIB

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    Why are you Glock folks so defensive? I don't think I've ever seen such rabid commentary for any other product. You like Glocks, fine use them. You don't like Glocks, fine don't use them. They are a product just like any other and we all choose the products we like.

    No, I don't own one and don't want one but that's just personal preference...
     
  7. easyg

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    If you think Glock users ar defensive you should here single malt scotch drinkers argue!:D
     
  8. stormyone

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    I'd stick with the Glock 34..... and buy the Glock 21sf you'd like to buy.
     
  9. Tim Burke

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    Well, all righty then.
    Having seen cases blown out right where I think there is a lot less support, I don't think the brass cares too much what you call it.

    As for the definition of kaBoom, I'd go to the source.
     
  10. easyg

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    Well, all I can say is this:

    If you don't trust Glocks then that's fine with me....there are plenty of other great pistols out there for you to choose from.

    And I'll be the first to agree that Glocks can KB (just like any other pistol).
    But considering how many Glocks are fired everday, there really doesn't seem to be a problem.

    I've personally put many many rounds through quite a variety of Glocks and I've never had any problems (knock on wood).
     
  11. DougDubya

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    That's the nice thing about America. If you love the Glock platform, you can get it. If you don't, there's hundreds of other designs out there that will fit you. And in ALL the ka-booms I've heard of, I've never seen one resulting in an actual injury. The closest thing I'd seen was an injury caused by an improper press-check, NOT a ka-boom, that put the hand of the shooter right in front of the muzzle. The aftermath stitchings make my skin tingle even THINKING about the damage wrought.
     
  12. DENALI

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    :what: Well I see now that our poor American trial Lawyers lack the ability to contend with that rascally, sinister, and overly secretive Gaston because, well he's so secretive! :barf:: Of course it's also been confirmed by some of the posters that Glock pistols have never, ever really won any LEA pistol competition. Of course that would mean that the FBI, DEA, USMS, and the PD's in NYC, Miami, St. Paul, LA, Chicago, ect..ect.. are all lying. Boy, that FBI sure makes a big stink about testing guns and ammunition for it all to end up being a lie.:eek:
    And of course, in polls, conducted right here on THR, we see that those same defective Glock pistols KB almost 11% of the time:uhoh:and yet so strong is their evil hold on us that 60-70% of LEA's are made up of kool-aid drinkers, (or at least there purchasing agents are) who insist on the superiority of the design. Nope, thats gotta be the way it is. Gaston's just a slick grifter who's pulled the wool over all our eye's! Well except for all the expert Glock bashers onboard this thread.....:barf:
     
  13. R&J

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    Yeah! What he just said! :cuss:

    --Ray
     
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    Good point.
     
  16. GunMac

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    Sorry for causing the argument on the topic but my second question looks like it has been long forgotten.

    I still would be interested if the guns other than the 1911 have a design that locks up the firing mechanism if the slide is not fully forward. It is my understanding that the Sig is designed that way. Any others?

    Thanks,

    tom
     
  17. Run&Shoot

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    OK, this is getting funny. One guy goes off on how Glock fans treat KBs as myths, blah blah blah. Soon afterward a fellow KB enthusiast gushes over a gunzone article (where else pray tell?) about a "for real" Firing Out of Battery example. Only, hold your breath, the rounds really didn't fire, and the only proof (this is not a myth guys!!) that it was an out of battery condition is a light primer strike.

    Now in the 20 years I have been reading extensively about guns and shooting (no expert, just well read and years of my own shooting and gun care like most of THR), I have never heard of a light primer strike being blamed on an out of battery. Usually it is diagnosed as a weak firing pin spring, or a crudded up firing pin channel, or a worn firing pin, or excessive headspace, or an occasional tough-as-nails primer.

    But somehow the Gunzone quickly weeds out all these mythical causes that lesser gun writers mistakenly believe in, and the Gunzone comes to the insightful conclusion that a light primer strike means an out of battery condition and he was damn lucky to survive with all his teeth. Wow! I am going to listen to Mr Gunzone with bated breath, hang on every word from now on. NOT!

    We now know wherein lies the myth of Glock KBs: the Gunsone.

    But wait, just to prove how common these REAL LIFE almost-for-sure Glock KBs are, our illustrious KB fans recite a couple of examples from 1992, and the mid-1990s even. I mean, they are happening almost every decade, well except for the current one.

    Now I am sure there are defects and issues with a few Glocks. But it is so lame to claim KBs are such a problem and then keep relying on rare or mythical examples to "prove" the point.

    Even the rare "real" examples almost never have any information as to what might have lead up to such a condition. Perhaps ignoring the user manual? Who in the heck knows? But if anything goes wrong it just has to be the partially unsupported chamber of the Glock even though many other brands likewise have unsupported chambers.

    To the OP, if you fear your Glock so much, then certainly you would not try to sell it for anything more than a pittance as it is virtually a KB waiting o happen. In that case any number of us poor dumb slobs would be stupidly happy to take it off your hands for a generous price of $100 (we do have to save up for medical bills to cover that eventual KB).

    I don't intend to hassle the OP, just joking, as he is being fed kool-aid from the KB fans. the KB fans need to get a life and enjoy their guns and appreciate that we Glock fans enjoy ours as well. You aren't doing anyone a favor to spread these myths of yours.
     
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  18. Firepower!

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  19. R&J

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    Lets Make This A Sticky!

    Thanks, Run&Shoot!

    If you're all so sick of this debate, make this a sticky and point new members and shooters to it!

    It's all been said.

    --Ray
     
  20. Phil DeGraves

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    "Glocks are a very very popular guns and many people own them. So of course you will hear more about Glocks than any other gun. It is all about the ratios."

    That's right. They completely outnumber those rare 1911's that have been being built for the last 100 years and look how many of those blow up.
     
  21. vic40204

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    but the 9mm is a fully supported chamber?
     
  22. Trempel

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    Any of you that want to get rid of these dangerous implements that are just waiting to blow up in your face, PM me and I'll take them off your hand. Free of charge!:rolleyes:
     
  23. easyg

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    If you have a 1911 that built to last "hundreds of years", then you truely have a rare 1911.

    The ones we had in the Army were only about twenty years old and they were virtually falling apart.
    Plenty of failures and plenty of headaches.

    Of course I'll be the first to admit that the only nearly "soldier proof" weapon I've ever seen is the Ak-47.
    But the Glock is a close second....hence it is known as the AK of pistols.
     
  24. Phil DeGraves

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    "If you have a 1911 that built to last "hundreds of years", then you truely have a rare 1911."

    How very Brady Center of you, quoting something that I didn't even say and ignoring the real issue. I said they "have been being built for the last 100 years" and we were not talking about falling apart after hard use, we are talking about guns BLOWING UP! And how old are the GLOCKS that are blowing up and how hard have they been used?
     
  25. easyg

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    You might be surprised to learn that 1911's are not "immune from the kaboom".
    In fact, no handgun is kaboom proof.

    There are plenty of Glocks from the 1st generation (over twenty years ago) which are still shooting just fine and have not exploded.
     
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