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Glock Officially Protests Army Selection of Sigs

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  1. tipoc

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    A bit more...

    "The specific reason(s) for Glock’s protest (beyond not winning) have not been publicly released. Protests are common in the high stakes world of military contracts. There is no reason at this time to suspect that the protest will result in a favorable decision for Glock.

    What is interesting, however, is that the fact Glock is protesting the decision strongly suggests that the company developed a “modular mystery Glock” that has not yet been seen by the public. None of Glock’s existing handgun designs come close to being “modular” as defined by the MHS contract, as the best they’ve been able to offer is replaceable backstraps. Sig’s P320 MHS has an internal chassis system that is the serial-numbered “gun” (below) to which different grip modules and slides can be fitted in numerous calibers and slide lengths."

    https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2017/...-armys-decision-select-sig-armys-next-pistol/

    Army Times also points out that protests are common. Also that it puts on hold the Army receiving the Sigs till the dispute is resolved.

    https://www.armytimes.com/articles/glock-protests-armys-choice-of-sig-sauer-for-new-handgun

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  3. Plan2Live

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    Quick, call the Whaaambulance. Apparently the Army's idea of perfection didn't sit well with ole Gaston.
     
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  4. TrickyDick

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    I think the Army made a good choice. The modular system will improve logistics and allow each handgun to be custom fitted to each soldier they're issued to, thus gaining the most performance possible.
     
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  6. jmr40

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    I like Glocks, they would be my personal preference. But it seems the military made a good choice. I can't find anything to not like about the Sig. But there is a lot that goes on behind the scenes and these contracts are rarely left to chance. Glock, nor any of the other entries probably ever had a chance. It appears that the military decided which gun they wanted before the trials and wrote the specs so that none of the others had a fair opportunity.

    Stuff like this happens quite a bit with any type of government purchasing. And to a degree I don't have a problem with it. If you know what you want, then you should be able to buy what you feel works best for you. Not be stuck with the low bidder. Sounds like Glock is just going through the formality of a protest. Wouldn't be surprised if others don't follow their lead.
     
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    They are not going to going to custom fit to soldiers, they are going to custom fit to the Table of Organization. Probably one model to Infantry, may be another to tankers and MPs or air crews.
     
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    No, the purpose of modularity was to equip personnel with the best fit. I.e. different grip sizes. The barrel length will probably differ according to branch and service type. But with growing diversity within the ranks (women, small and large statured people), this will tackle the problem of ill fitting equipment. I know people with small hands had issues with the Beretta 92 grip being too wide.
     
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  9. Jim Watson

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    Remember, the FBI wrote their wants out of the Sig catalog, too. But Glock slipped in under them with the 17M. And now where is the 17M, eh? Recalled, though I have seen stuff about a 19M

    Allegedly to become Gen 5 at the NRA convention.
     
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    gaston contract.jpg
     
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    I own many Sigs, Kimbers, Les Baers, STIs, yes the list goes on and on. It's a disease.
    I guard them ALL with my G21SF.
     
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    I don't think any large .gov contract goes un-protested these days. We won a big renewal contract the year I retired, it was immediately protested. I think one of the losers ended up buying out the company I worked for to get it in the end. Glad to have left when I did.
     
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    Glock filing a protest over the Army selecting SIG. In other highly relevant and timely news, Brad is fighting Angelina over child custody and Rob has split from Black Chyna. In other words, I for one could care less.
     
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    No it won't.

    Unless supply has changed drastically since I was in (which is possible since my APC was a Brontosaurus) those guns are going to be issued exactly as they came out of the crate and all the accessories (which the armorer is accountable for) will be stored in the arms room.
     
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    Agreed. I can't realistically see anything other than this happening.
     
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    Exactly. Army had very specific requirements for their next handgun. Glock didn't deliver. They lost. So now they are whining because they didn't get their way. Glock likes to brag that they provide arms to 75 ish% of law enforcement. The not so secret is they practically give them away for their own PR. I'd take a Sig, any model over a Glock any day.
     
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    They flooded police departments with very, very inexpensive to make handguns beating out metal-framed S&Ws and Berettas. Omitting the fact that Glock frame is plastic when the slide is compared to Gen III S&W or Beretta gun it becomes obvious that Glock slide is basically a rectangular block.
     
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    I liked the old days. American soldiers carried American Colts. They were made from American steel.:thumbup:
     
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    Yeh, I miss them ole' days when Levi's, Woolrich, Columbia,.......products were made here and Band Aids came in metal tin boxes. I think I'm going to cry.

    P.S. Tomorrow I'm going to buy that late 60s early 70s 1100 16ga and pick up couple boxes for 16a 1oz Winchester loads Made in USA. I like them yellow and gold boxed Browning branded 16ga loads but those are made at Winchester factory in Australia. Shaft them I'm going to save $4 per box and buy grey boxed domestic Winchester loads. I'm ok now.:D
     
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  20. Oolong

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    Boo hoo glock get over it, what where you going to do cheapen your guns even more? People think glocks melt In cars as it is what would a desert be any different? That's not even getting to the idea of the plastic fantastic would be expose to constant uv radiation endless practice rounds and the stress of the weight of a human body amongst other things. How did they think this was going to end? Evening they sold crazy duped up glocks they forget the cimmarianesque obsession most gun owners have for steel.
     
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    The American GI gets a new plastic pistol. Some Washington insiders would become instant millionaires:D.
     
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    Protests are basically a given in high stakes contracts like this. In the grand scheme of things, its effectively free for Glock to file a hail mary protest, if their protest has some merit, they might get the award overturned, if it's denied they are not really out anything. The contract will hang in limbo until it all gets settled....luckily they are playing with house money ;).
     
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    I'm going to be beyond shocked if many of our soldiers are actually going to receive a P320 with the proper frame for his particular hand. I just can't see it, especially given that these pistols ship as individual units without any of the other frames. Those are purchased separately. Telling me the Army is going to buy tens of thousands of guns, AND tens of thousands of alternative frames for sizing? I'll believe it when I see it.

    Idk why Glock didn't win, but I don't buy that modularity was an enormously decisive factor in granting the contract to SIG. I'd have a much easier time believing that Glock stupidly presented a model without a manual safety, and that was all she wrote.
     
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    How modular the Sigs are is not likely to benefit the individual soldier. They might as well not be modular as far as the individual soldier is concerned. The benefit will be that the military can use a single base for different roles that will share a lot of the same parts, and as some guns age they can mix and match working parts, even from guns in other configurations. But the individual soldier is unlikely to be able to choose what configuration the highly modular gun is in.
     
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    In all likely hood they will order the P320 chassis for every soldier authorized to have one in a unit, a few extras for replacements. Then they will order a couple common frame sizes to fit large and medium hands. And that will be end of that. Unit armorers will be given extra training to put together a P320 for the vast majority of soldiers varying sizes. Some specialty units will likely have more discretion in molecularity for customization of size and caliber to fit their roles. I highly doubt a soldier, even if they know how, would be allowed by the chain of command to modify their firearms to their tastes just because the Sig can.
     
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