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Glock problems in .45... real or BS?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by sothoth, Dec 27, 2012.

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  1. sothoth

    sothoth Member

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    New to Glock. If I get one it would be only my second polymer pistol. Thinking of getting a G30 as my first. Read some stuff about issues with the 45ACP models and how they can explode or have the slide forcibly separate from the receiver when firing. I suspect this is BS because I can't see a company like Glock continue to sell a gun with a design flaw. Hoping the honest and knowledgable folks here can help clear this up for me.
     
  2. Rob G

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    My understanding is that there were a fairly limited number of Glock pistols in .45 GAP (which is different from .45 ACP) that exploded a few years ago. Although I've not heard what the final result of that was there was a bit of contention as Glock blamed it on double-charged rounds and other people blamed it on the Glock having an unsupported chamber. However that ended up I don't know but it was a while ago and I haven't heard of anything since then.

    Personally I don't own any Glocks but I wouldn't have any safety concerns regarding them and I regularly recommend them to friends.
     
  3. M1key

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    The Glock 30 is definitely one of the more popular models...for good reason.

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  4. Baba Louie

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    Supposedly, the issue, as I was told, is with the chamber not "fully supporting" the round, leaving a small section of brass exposed at the bottom to "KaBoom" should things get agly. This might be an issue with old brass used for reloads with too much oomph for the tired brass, but then GLOCK say no to reloads.

    I've shot the alum cased Blazer in my 21 and 30 for 15+ years (not all Blazer, but it has been used) maybe a reload or twelve (shhhh) and I'm still waiting for the blowout. So far so good (fingers crossed ;))

    Should a KaBoom happen, most force will be downward blowing out magazine and grip if slide/rails haven't been tweaked or compromised. I don't see the slide flying off, but then again, strange things can, have and will happen.

    Glock makes a 10mm for heaven sake, not to mention the .40 and .357Sig. Pressure in those rounds might be a tad bit more than found in your typical day to day .45acp loads... ya know? The .40 kaboom'g is what I've read about most and those are few and far between considering how many Glocks are out and about.

    If you want it, I say buy it. Just don't go crazy worrying or shooting reloads... cause that'd void your warranty if the powers that be ever find out. Or so I understand. (I think BarSto used to make a fully supported barrel for the 21, but that was when they were in CA. Don't know if they do now that they're up in Sturgis(?))
     
  5. NG VI

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    Didn't that rash of issues with the GAP pistols occur with a single organization?

    If I'm remembering that detail correctly, that kind of leads me to believe it was more likely to be an ammunition or training problem. If five or ten out of a group of a hundred or so police officers or recruits manage to blow up identical pistols in a single sitting, something is wrong and it isn't likely to be the name-brand firearms involved.
     
  6. ku4hx

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    Research the term Kaboom or any of several of its derivative spellings. What you'll find is the phenomenon is not limited to Glock or plastic pistols. A few simple searches and you'll find examples of all sorts of firearms blowing up. And if the article is an honest one you'll find all sorts of reasons.
     
  7. sothoth

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    I must have heard it wrong, I'd heard that they developed GAP to get a size reduction and less kaboom compared to 45ACP. Just goes to show that everything you read on the Internet is 100% correct :)

    It seemed fishy to me either way knowing Glock. Especially where safety is concerned. I mean if the issue was with a malfunction that gave the gun excessive killing power versus a criminal, that's one thing, but if it hurts the person who PAID for the gun that's another. HaHa.
     
  8. Ala Tom

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    How about +p loads in the Glock 30? I would like to shoot Speer GD 200 gr +p loads for a muzzle energy of 518 ft lb. Safe? Does the manual warn against using +p loads?
     
  9. rcmodel

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    The .45 GAP was developed to put a .45 cartridge in a 9mm/.40 size pistol.

    In order to do it, the pressure was raised from the .45 ACP standard of 21,000 PSI to the +P pressure of 23,000 PSI same as +P .45 ACP.

    SAAMI max pressure for the 9mm & .40 S&W is 35,000 PSI.
    +P 9mm is 38,500 PSI.

    And lighter 185 & 200 grain bullets are used in the .45 GAP instead of the standard .45 ACP 230 grain weight.

    All Glock handguns are +P rated regardless of caliber.

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    You either heard or read something incorrectly, while there have been Glock Kabooms in 357Sig, .40, 10mm, .45GAP and .45ACP, most of it has been addressed.

    I think it is pretty safe to say that the .45GAP wasn't introduced to reduce the kaboom risk of the .45ACP...as the .45GAP runs at about .45ACP+ pressures

    The most well known kaboom problem that Glock had was with their G22 .40 models

    Can't or won't?

    To believe in Glock Perfection is a pretty long stretch. It would be accurate to say that Glock won't acknowledge that they have had (slide stop/barrel/frame/ejector/extractor/slide) design flaws
     
  11. jmr40

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    The 40 cal's are the only one with an unusual number of issues. Even then it is overblown in relation to the number in use.

    I do recall 1 PD somewhere a number of years ago that had some issues with several brand new Glocks in 45 ACP that they had just purchased. I never heard whether they determined it was the guns or ammo. I don't think I've ever heard of a major problem with any of their 9mm's or 10mm's and only the one dept. that had an issue with 45's.
     
  12. hentown

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    I've fired around 300k rounds through my Glocks, mostly .45ACP through a variety of G21s and a G30. You'd think I'd have "unpleasantly discovered" any systemic problem by now, wouldn't you?

    As long as Glocks aren't being handled by the Portland PD or Los Angeles County Sheriff's department, they work just fine. Portland PD problem was ammo; LA problem was dumbass deputies' squirting oil into their Glocks' striker channels.
     
  13. Robert101

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    I have two perfect semi-auto firearms (never had a missfeed or ejection problem - ever). One is my Glock 27 and the other is a DPMS LR308. AND, that is with 98% reloaded ammo. I think any 45 Glock problems are gossly overstated.
     
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    sothoth You have to read everthing you can but believe very little when it comes to bad news. Seen the tv comerical say'n if it was on the internet its real. NOOOOOOO Ever handgun brand will have some problems but most problem guns come from ammo/shooter related problems by not pay'n enough attention to details when loading ammo or shooting. Have a squib load in any handgun and fire another live round behind it and you have a kaboom.

    Buy the glock and enjoy.
     
  15. sothoth

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    Yes it seems the problems were overstated. And maybe misrepresented to me, or maybe I remember what I heard incorrectly, but I suspect overstated is the most accurate description.
     
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