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Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by simple_rule, Dec 23, 2012.

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  1. M1key

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    I own or have owned and shot most all models and calibers. As an armorer, instructor, and a long-time member of Glocktalk, I am fully aware there are some problems with some models. That said, sufficient trigger-time, good ammo, proper hold, and lubrication will fix a whole lot of the problems folks have with the Glock pistol.


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  2. F-111 John

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    Comparing an older, broken in Glock 17 to two brand new out of the box Glocks? Try using hotter ammo for the first 500 rounds, and make sure both guns are properly cleaned and lubed.

    I just bought a G26 Gen 3 the first week of December, with a July 2012 shell casing date. When I took it home the slide felt gritty. I field stripped it, and there was no familiar "copper grease" inside that I could see anywhere.

    I cleaned the rails, ran a patch down the bore, and used a drop of Ballistol on all of the indicated lubricating points outlined in the manual. The slide action was like butter after that, and this was before the first round was launched downrange.

    I've had her to the range twice so far, shooting about 200 rounds of WWB, Federal Champion, and Federal Hydra-Shok, without a single malfunction or brass to the face.
     
  3. oneounceload

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    Before you do that, have other folks shoot the guns to see if the results are the same. Then also try different ammo. IF, after that, the results are the same, contact Glock to return for repair
     
  4. mes228

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    It's really quite simple. If your Glock dosen't run, it is broken. Send it back to Glock for repair. I've owned many Glocks, I've fired many many thousands of rounds through them. I've had not one malfunction of any kind. My current carry is a Model 23 with well over 10k rounds through it and not one malfunction of any kind. All have been Gen 3's. Again, if it's a Gen3 and it does not run 100%, all the time, with anything you can stuff the mag with, it's broken. Send it back and they will repair it.
     
  5. Jolly Rogers

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    Excuse me here...I surf the web as well as anyone and the interweb states Glocks don't fail. This thread must be a troll thread therefore and should be deleted.


    Ducking and running.......:D
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  6. Old Guy

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    The Gen4 Glock 19s had all kinds of problems, they were fixed. Mostly the recoil springs, had mine turn up at a Glock match, the Glock guy swapped all bits, Ejector, extractor, all springs, fixed!

    I use it in IDPA, for CCW, and the odd time I work for my Son (filling in for Armed posts in Security Company) no malfunctions, with any Ammo.

    Most Semi Auto problems lie with the magazines, with any self loader.

    Glock make the best magazines in the World IMHO! Glocks were invented to work in adverse conditions, slip your CCWL Glock 19 into a holster, not treated roughly, it will last for ever. Draw, press trigger, bang, first time, all the time.
     
  7. Dean1818

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    I will say it is funny that anyone who would dare bring up any issue on a Glock is immediately pounced upon.


    1) limp wrist
    2) bad ammo
    3) bad shooter
    4) alien abduction

    Etc


    Obviously Glocks are reliable (I decided to go M&P) but sheeze........

    Sometimes..... Glocks have problems
     
  8. SIGLBER

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    For the past two years Glock's especially the 9mm's both GEN3 and GEN4 have been having problems with all manner of failures to extract, erratic ejection, and throwing brass back at the shooters face. The whole "shoot more powerful ammo, made for NATO spec ammo, limp wristing" excuses were being used by Glock to explain away problems with the guns made in the last couple of years.
    Glock used similar excuses when the NYPD had serious issues with their G19's. They blamed ammo, limp wristing, every other possible thing except problems with the Glocks. When they sent some of their reps down after NYPD began talking to Ruger about replacing their Glocks. And the reps started having the same problems with the Glocks that the officers were they quickly set up a machine shop in New York to fix the problems. So Glock has used these excuses before.
    The guns have been through 4-5 redesigns of the RSA's, a different ejector, and now are working on the extractor. Plus replacing guns they can't fix after several trips back to Glock with new ones (that still sometimes have problems). Not to mention paying shipping costs Glock is well aware of the problems rather they admit it or not. And if you read Glocks owners manual it says the guns are designed to function with NATO or SAMMI spec ammo. WWB and some of the other ammo mentioned are SAMMI spec.
    So according to Glocks "written word" the SAMMI spec ammo should work. And not just NATO spec. And all my older Glocks work fine with the WWB and other "weak ammo". So when suddenly with 20+ years of manufacture did Glock pistols suddenly go from basically shooting anything to needing special ammo? And why can I shoot my old Glock 9mm's with whatever ammo and it works? Then pick up one of the newer ones and it jams on the same ammo? And all some of the hotter ammo does is throw the rounds back at my head harder?
    So suddenly the ammo's too weak and we've all after years of shooting Glocks started limp wristing. Even though we're not with our older ones. So the new GEN3 and GEN4 guns are causing people to suddenly start to limp wrist? And selectively limp wrist only with the newer ones? What a crock of crap! Glock knows their is a problem. That's why all the parts replacement, parts redesigns, gun replacement and so on.
    I am in fact on my 5th replacement Glock in the past 2 years. Two GEN3's and 3 GEN4 G19's. Some didn't work right out of the box. Some worked for a few hundred or a few thousand rounds. But all eventually went the same route. It seems with the latest RSA, 30274 ejector, and getting lucky with one of the MIM extractors they are using some of them work. But a large number don't. It's time to stop blaming the Indian when in fact this time it is the arrow.
    Any gun that requires just the right grip and stance to operate. And hot ammo to boot is not a fit weapon to trust ones life with. What in the hell makes anyone think that in the middle of trying to save your life you will have time to get a perfect stance and grip on your gun? And you better be sure to use NATO spec ammo or you are dead. What a laugh. My G30 is on my hip right now. I bought it after they first came out. Never a problem. Older GEN3 G22 police trade in sitting in my nightstand for things that go bump in the night. Never a problem with any of my Glocks until the past year.
    Right now if your gun doesn't work is to make sure it has all the latest parts. And if that doesn't do it try to get one of the APEX Tactical Extractors. They are fixing a lot of the problem guns. don't bother with the limp wristing, weak ammo b.s.. If you're an experienced shooter it's not you. It is the gun and their are a lot of them. FACT!
     
  9. 1911Tuner

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    Glocks are known for being extremely reliable. Limp-wristing has occasionally been a factor when one doesn't perform as advertised. If your grip or shooting style leads to those types of malfunctions...and another shooter doesn't experience them with the same gun...drop the spring rate a couple pounds. It's a locked breech/short recoil design. It can be fired without a spring without harm. The slide mass is sufficient to provide a strong return to battery.
     
  10. Silent Bob

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    There is definitely a problem with new Glocks (ones made since 2010 or so). I have owned Glocks since 2002 and they were always among the most reliable pistols you could find, and even fed, fired, extracted, and ejected weaker ammo like WWB and Rem UMC unless you held them with a wet noodle wrist grip.

    Flash forward to 2012 after a 1911 infatuation I bought a Gen 3 G19 and it ejected brass with a trajectory to the right lens of my eye protection consistently. Ammo made no difference, NATO-spec ammo simply flung the brass HARDER at my face.

    After a few months of this nonsense, I first replaced the OEM MIM extractor with one of the new "non-dipped" LCI extractors (the quality of the "dipped" LCI extractor was shoddy in appearance to the replacement part, the "dip" can be seen in the top of the extractor). The new extractor is MIM as well but appears to be a much better made part.

    This new extractor improved ejection somewhat but was not perfect. The real fix was ordering a Gen 4 trigger mech housing, removing the 30274 ejector, and installing it in my Gen 3 housing, replacing the Gen 3's 336 ejector. This absolutely improved ejection, and now my Gen 3 runs like, well, a Glock.

    The other weird issue is that this is the first Glock I have owned that I have actually found rust on the slide. The first time was after I took a pistol training class in July, and found spots of rust in and around the slide serrations. After a few IDPA matches, I found it again. I have heard Glock recently changed the metal treatment to the slide, apparently they are still perfecting the new process. I now keep its slide oiled as if I would a parkerized or blued gun.

    In short, Glock does not make them like they used to. And I say this as a huge Glock fan for the most part.
     
  11. Highland Ranger

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    Interesting thread. I was looking for something new to buy and was thinking I'd finally succumb and buy a Glock. After reading this - maybe not - perhaps another HK is in order.
     
  12. F-111 John

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    Highland Ranger, you will most definitely have better luck finding a new HK and more importantly HK magazines right now than any Glock.

    I'm a revolver guy but I bought my first pistol on Dec. 1st, a Glock 26 Gen 3. It's been flawless so far with over 200 rounds of both target and defensive ammunition through it. If'n it's a Glock you want, go fer it.

    However, after the Newtown shootings, the larger Glocks and their magazines are in panic buy mode. Plenty of 10 rounders available, but anything over that is either gone or doubled in price.
     
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    I second OneOunceLoad, get another experienced shooter to try them out first before you replace parts or go sending them to the factory.
     
  14. WHITEROCKET5.9

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    has there been any problems with the g20 or 21 models? i have a g20 i love with a lone wolf ported barrel on it and i have a g21 comming with a lone wolfe 460 rowland conversion 24# springs and ss guide rod in the 20 and will be when the 21 gets here. i did have 1 ftf with blazer ammo in the g20, it was ammo not the gun as far as i could tell the pin hit the round as it should have. other than that its one sweet shooter. cant wait to get the 460 rowland rollin!!
     
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    IMHE 90% of casings will drop out through the mag well when doing this even on a brand new gun. Glocks rely upon mag spring pressure to eject brass. If you are having FTE's or stove pipes look first to your mag springs. The Korean 17 round mags come with weak springs and will cause FTE's. Try a new OEM mag and see how that works, and compare the spring pressure with the mag you were using when having problems.

    As for the limp wristing +2 on what one ounce load said.
     
  16. 9mmepiphany

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    Well, that tells you where the problem lays, doesn't it. Magazine pressure can't eject cases, what the magazine pressure does is catch the cases that the extractor would otherwise be dropping. Remember that when the case clears the chamber, the next round in the magazine is still rising. So in essence, the extractor pulls the case out of the chamber and drops it. The rising cartridge jumps up and bouces it back upward so that it can hit the nose of the ejector. If the Glock extractor isn't holding the casing firmly, how can they possibly hope for consistent contact with the ejector

    My Gen2 G19 doesn't have a problem with dropping the casings through mag well...they ejected right out of the ejection port like they should even without a magazine inserted. I've also seen testing by 10-8 Performance that had Gen3 Glocks that also had properly working extractors. The problem is that Glock changed the angle of the extractor hook, when they went to MIM extractors, to facilitate the case rim getting under it and what they traded was consistent extraction.
     
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    That is discouraging. I've had a handful of glocks, 3 of them were 26's and I haven't had any problems. i have also reloaded for said glocks and I use the minimum amount of powder that will cycle the firearm. the g26 needs less powder than the 17 or 19 because of the lighter slide. Being that you are having problems with 2 glocks in a row, which statistically speaking is unlikely, could it be the way you are shooting it? Not trying to imply that you don't know how to shoot a glock, its just odd that you have 2 in a row that are malfunctioning.
     
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    Who is having fail. to fire problems. 6 in 300 rds. Is it he spring (striker) or is it not cycling all the way? My 5th glock 1st problem
     
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    I have a NIB Gen4 Glock 21 test fire date 22Oct12 Blue label pistol. It has weak ejection issues as well. No malfunctions at all with 250 rds fired for break-in. Just IMHO weak ejection, 2to3 feet to my 3 to 4 O'Clock. I was firing Estate (federal) 230 gr brass cased hardball. I know this isn't high powered ammo, but after Sandy Hook ammo is hard to come by.

    If you watch Hickock45 on his new youtube on the gen4 21's parts #1 & #2 and watch the ejection (not shooting the gong, pig, or soda bottles just watch the ejection) you will see him get hit in the face and head. The ejection is weak on these two vid's. Then i dug up an old Glock 21 youtube of his (gen1,2, or3 idon't know what gen it is) and you see that that 21 ejects 8 feet to the right. You can hear the spent brass hitting his reloading table on this older vid. Hickock makes no mention of the weak ejection. "life is good" It's there you have to just watch the ejection, not his shooting. Unless Hickock45 is limpwristing.
     
  20. Old Guy

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    The major problem was the Glock Austria hierarchy! If any word was said from us YANKS! You got fired.

    It is the arrogant Austrians (Germans by an other name) the normal way of making a life saving piece of equipment, any tiny change, test it to death!

    But to make a bunch of them? Test more, much more, prior to releasing them to holsters on us Yanks!

    As an aside, my thoughts, Glock should make a 9mm, very slim pistol, new slide, new frame.

    Made for concealed carry (Hide better than double stack magazine pistols)
    It would come with 3 magazines, one fits flush, two extend 2" inches, that would take 13 rounds. Easy enough to design. Call it the "Glock Slim" a body guard in a suit pistol. I would buy one, love my Glock 19 though.
     
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    My money's on limp-wristing as the problem, particularly since the OP is comparing a full-size G17 to a compact G19 and a subcompact G26. Check out this video for an excellent explanation.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_Uqtz2asE4
     
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    How is this thread still going? Test the extractor. If it isnt working properly, replace it or send the pistol back to Glock. If the extractor isnt the problem, send the pistol back to Glock. Here is a good rule of thumb. If you buy a new pistol and it has problems, send it back to the manufacturer. Unless you are familiar enough with the platform to diagnose and fix the issue yourself, send it back.
     
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    I suppose every Glock I've ever owned has had a bad extractor, since they'll all drop fired cases through the mag well when fired with no mag present. ;)
     
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    I didn't realize it was that common. It must have started with the Gen3, because my Gen2 G17, G19, G22 don't do that :D

    Here is a video clip and article of some testing by Tim Lau of 10-8 Consulting
     
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    I have 2 gen 3 G19's. My first, a 1998 gun, simply runs. It extracts cleanly to the right with any type of ammo. Steel case, cheap reloads, independence, you name it. It was reliable with any grip either. It has never malfunctioned through many classes and many competitions. Great gun. It's my carry gun.

    Got a 2012 G19. It malfunctioned firing the first magazine. It then began flinging brass at my head. Hard. Dead between the eyes. I could see the brass being extracted straight back. And it did it with all types of ammo. If I switched frame and slide between the two, the 2012 slide would get slightly better while the 1999 slide was fine.

    I heard all the bunk. Limpwristing. Bad ammo. Etc. Its a Glock. It should run, period. It went back to Glock 3 times. The first time they swapped the ejector from the 336 to the 30274 ejector. The second time, they switched the ejectors back. Nothing helped. So on the third time I asked them to swap the gun for a pre-2008 model. They did.

    Funny thing. With the pre-2008, no issues. It runs fine. No brass to the noggin. Eats all ammo. So send it back and be persistent.
     
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