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Glock Slide-Stop is hard to work.

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by bg226, Jun 1, 2010.

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  1. bg226

    bg226 Member

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    I find the slide stop on a new G19 exceptionally hard, an absolute PITA to shut the slide with. I know that you're supposed to slingshot, but I find that closing the slide via the slide-stop requires just too much strength.

    Anyone else experience this?
     
  2. pikid89

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    yes but just get a factory extended slide release........ eliminates said problem and is allowed in things like IDPA
     
  3. 1KPerDay

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    Are you doing this with an empty mag in the gun?
     
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    Mine is too... I just think it is because its so close to the frame of the gun you cant get much on it.... just follow pikid89's advice if it is a big problem for you.
     
  5. JDGray

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    Your closing on a full mag, right? I never had an issue with any Glock slide stop dropping hard, but if your trying on an empty mag.........:scrutiny:

    Nothing wrong with either way of closing the slide, use what works for you.
     
  6. gofastman

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    put an itty-bitty dab of EP grease on the slide where it contacts the stop, oh and get an extended slide stop ;)
     
  7. bg226

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    Pardon my ignorance, what is wrong with doing it on an empty-mag because that is how I am experimenting with it.
     
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    You're pushing against the magazine spring. That's why it's hard.
     
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  9. HGUNHNTR

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    This style lever was never intended to be a slide release, just a slide stop. For a positive return to battery always grab the slide with your hand and let it slam home. When your adrenaline is pumping your fine motor skills are dulled, use your whole hand.
     
  10. The Lone Haranguer

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    Is this with a loaded magazine - or no magazine - in the gun? I've never had any trouble with mine. If you are trying to do this with an empty magazine, this will not work and is not how the gun is supposed to function.
     
  11. cocojo

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    Because it's a slide stop not a slide release. Glock recommends you rack the slide. They don't recommend you use that as a slide release.
     
  12. David E

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    They don't recommend loading it until JUST BEFORE SHOOTING, either. :rolleyes:

    I install the slide stop/slide lock/slide release/slide release-stop doo-hickey that is the extended type they put on the G-34 and G-35

    (Gee, did they "intend" for you to be able to drop the slide via the slide stop on only THOSE two models?)
     
  13. REAPER4206969

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    Glock is a business. They offer the extended slide stop lever because people will buy it. Using the slide stop is poor technique.
     
  14. AKElroy

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    It may not be how you were trained, but that does not mean it is poor technique. With the OEM button, it is poor technique. With the extended button I am as fast & reliable as slingshotting into battery.
     
  15. Shawn Dodson

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    I use an overhand grasp, as opposed to a slingshot grip, to operate the slide on my G19.

    To acquire an overhand grasp, with the muzzle pointed downrange and the gun in a "compressed ready" mount* bring your support hand over the top of the slide, with your thumb pointing toward you. Position your support hand so that either the fingers or heel of the palm are/is located behind the ejection port and firmly clamp the slide between your palm and fingers. Operate the slide with vigor by simultaneously retracting the slide with the support hand and pushing forward with the firing hand. It should feel like you're trying to rip the slide off the frame. When the slide reaches its rearmost travel and stops your support hand will simply slip off the slide and and the slide will be propelled into battery by the recoil spring.

    While operating the slide in this manner I also simultaneously roll the pistol to the right to point the ejection port at the ground to allow centrifugal force and gravity to clear the action, just as I do to clear stoppages (tap, roll & rack). I ALWAYS roll & rack when I operate the slide to exercise the movements I have to make to clear a stoppage. I use it as a training opportunity to exercise my skills.

    *To acquire a compressed ready mount, start with the pistol in an isosceles or Weaver mount and then bend your elbows straight down so the gun comes back toward you until your upper arms are against your chest. Keep the gun in your line of vision as you "compress" your mount. This keeps the gun in your visual plane while you manipulate it. If you need to take a quick glance at it while performing your manipulations your eyes don't have to move as far off target, whereas if you bring the gun down to waist level your eyes not only have farther to move but you also can't see the target with your peripheral vision. In addition, when you keep your head up so you can maintain visual awareness of the target's activity downrange it decreases the chances that you'll become sucked in and preoccupied with your "internal" problem and lose "external" awareness in case you need to react to a changing situation.

    Good luck!
     
  16. GLOOB

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    Anyone who wants to drop the slide on a GLOCK with the slide-stop lever should do it.

    GLOCK's stance is most likely a CYA, financially motivated statement. I doubt Gaston cares enough about the end-users' fine motor coordination under stress or IPSA reloading times to actually add his 2 cents either way, if it were not for the simple fact that the notch can and will wear out under repeated use and GLOCK does not consider that a warranty issue.
     
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    Using the slide stop lever to release the slide will cause wear to the notch and lever on ALL pistols not just Glocks.


    You're scraping metal against metal under tension from the recoil spring, this will cause rounding of the slide notch and the lever.

    It's a bad idea no matter how you look at it or what brand of pistol you use.


    What companies do consider this a warranty issue???
     
  18. David E

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    Says who?

    Those that dismiss it usually cite the "loss of coordination" as the reason. They seem to forget that you just hit a small magazine release and did a reload, but suddenly, just before you're going to release the slide stop, you lose the coordination required to do so?

    It allows a faster, accurate shot than sling-shotting (poor technique 99% of the time) or overhand. (which is a technique worth knowing and learning, in case you have to do a battlefield pickup with a Walter PPK that has the slide locked back.....)
     
  19. David E

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    So?

    Do you know how many 10's of 1000's of reps you're going to have to do to make that a valid concern? A BUNCH.

    And if I do "wear it out," it's easily fixed.
     
  20. 9mmepiphany

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    Gaston Glock researched what worked on successful guns and how they should be properly operated, his research lead to the design of the G17.

    the Glock was not originally designed to release the slide with the slide lock. this lead to problems when under/improperly trained users insisted on releasing their slides in that manner and caused failures of the slide stop to hold the slide back on an empty mag...that area of the slide wasn't hardened to resist the scraping of the slide stop being forced downward against the recoil spring pressure.

    Glock hardened that area and offered an extended slide stop because the market demanded it, not because it was needed....much like the full-length guide rod on the 1911
     
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    why would you release a slide on an empty mag and not expect the additional upward pressure of the mag spring to make the operation harder?
     
  22. bg226

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    Okay, my next question:

    Does using the slide-stop to close the slide damage anything on the Glock?
     
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    Umm, I'd say it is possible.
     
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  24. Weevil

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    So???

    Sew buttons! ;)


    No Dave it doesn't take "10s of 1000s of reps".

    If it did you wouldn't see so many posts about slides not locking back after the last round or slamming shut when a mag is inserted or them expecting Glock and other companies to warranty the wear they have caused to their pistols.

    A lot of people must be doing this a "BUNCH".


    And if you don't do it you won't need to fix it easy fix or not.

    If you feel the need to do it then fine but don't kid yourself that it's not gonna cause unnecessary wear and tear to your pistol.
     
  25. David E

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    All they have to do is either dress the engagement surface of the slide stop or replace it with a new one.

    See? Easy.

    As far as slamming shut upon inserting the mag, my M&P Pro does that.....and it's new!


    And the fact remains that following a reload, it is the fastest way to get that first shot fired on target.
     
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