Glock who?

[Godsgunman]

So I'll start with this since I'm sure some feathers will be ruffled, Glock is a great, reliable, utilitarian gun that deserves its reputation. Here however is where my admiration stops. I have had a few Glocks throughout the years and have ultimately ended up selling them off. The reason? The trigger. One would think that a huge manufacturer like Glock could produce a stock trigger superior to what they do.
I have recently gone back to striker fired carry guns. The first and most often carried is the obvious Glock copy, the Beretta Nano. I got this beauty for a steal food 199. She sports night sights and crimson Trace laser and came with 2 6 rnd mags and 2 8 rnd mags for that price. It is everything Glock except for the take-down which is much easier and the trigger which in my mind is by far better. Yes it's a longer, slightly heavier dao pull but is far smoother and cleaner than the Glock. For a carry gun i prefer the longer pull.

Despite its pocketability it is extremely accurate and pleasant to shoot.
Example 2 is a Ruger SR9C. An extremely reliable and accurate gun in its own way. Sleeker and more visually pleasing it also shares the "Glock like" trigger. Stock it is also superior to the Glock trigger. With almost identical 5 lbs trigger weight it is cleaner and smoother than the Glock without the "wall" the Glock trigger has.

Granted you can improve a Glocks trigger with upgrades if you want to put more cash into it.
The point is, with the competition providing better stock triggers and comparable reliability, why is Glock not matching the competition?

 

[jmohme]

My carry guns are all Glocks. they are all more than adequate for their intended use, and that nasty trigger is not nearly as likely to be the cause of a negligent discharge as one of my nicer guns with target triggers.
Then there is the benefit that I could care less if they get holster wear, or any cosmetic flaws that come from carrying a weapon ever day.

I have other handguns with better looks, nicer triggers, and better accuracy at distance.
They have their own purposes, but slipping them in a holster for concealed carry is not one of those purposes.

So, for me, Glock for carry, but you carry what works for you.

 

[JR24]

Disagree on the nano trigger, agree on the SR9c trigger.

I prefer Glocks for my plastic guns, I've tried nearly all the others and for whatever reason Glocks just work best for me. Not one thing, just a sum of the parts, though I do get along with the Glock trigger better than many others do, it is my second favorite next to a SAO

 

[amd6547]

The standard Glock trigger and I get along very well indeed.

 

[AK103K]

The standard Glock trigger and I get along very well indeed.View attachment 868376

Yup, me too.

Ive got a bunch of Glocks (as well as others), and their triggers all work and are as good as any of my other guns.

Whats the problem with them again?

 

[Obturation]

Train for it and it isn't an issue. Light short triggers are a no go on a carry gun for me.

 

[Pelo801]

I've had a couple Glocks and I didnt have a problem with the trigger. I've had a G20 sf and 22c. My problem was the way they feel in my hand. The grip feel just doesnt work for me.

 

[Mauser lover]

Well... let's all pile on the OP!

Here's some support! I don't like Glock triggers either! I think they are mushy, spongy, creepy, etc. Not my favorite. There's better out there, for less money!

On the other hand... Glocks do work. I think they are a wee bit over priced for what they are though.

 

[Steve C]

Glock is a great, reliable, utilitarian gun that deserves its reputation........The point is, with the competition providing better stock triggers and comparable reliability, why is Glock not matching the competition?

I agree 100% with your assessment of Glocks. I bought my only Glock, a model 19, in 1988 when they where first introduced. I still own that gun and it has been one of my first choices for self defense due to its reliability.

As for Glock triggers, I have been satisfied with the factory 5lb trigger my 19 came with. To understand why Glock doesn't try to match the aftermarket triggers you need to understand their business. Glocks main business is providing firearms to militaries and law enforcement. These customers don't need or even desire a more refined trigger as they see it as a liability or detriment as their men to their mind may be more likely to have AD's. NYCPD is a good example of this as they ordered their service Glock 19's with an 8lb trigger, a weight that basically matches a DA revolver trigger pull. Since the entire civilian market is such a relatively small part of their business Glock is unlikely to spend the money to try and match the custom market trigger.

 

[Godsgunman]

Lol Mauser lover, I appreciate the support. I knew full well I'd get some flack. Don't get me wrong, Glocks are good guns and surprisingly fit my hand well. If they could make their stock trigger like the SR9C I would own multiple Glocks. Their versatility with mags is second to none.

 

[amd6547]

I carried and shot the Browning HiPower for a couple decades before I shot the G17...
Come to find out I shoot the Glock as well or better than the HiPower
In fact, the same is true of the G26.
Likewise, my recently acquired police surplus Gen4 G22 is the same great trigger out of the box.

BTW, the Glock trigger, like any trigger, improves with use.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

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So I'll start with this since I'm sure some feathers will be ruffled, Glock is a great, reliable, utilitarian gun that deserves its reputation. Here however is where my admiration stops. I have had a few Glocks throughout the years and have ultimately ended up selling them off. The reason? The trigger. One would think that a huge manufacturer like Glock could produce a stock trigger superior to what they do.
I have recently gone back to striker fired carry guns. The first and most often carried is the obvious Glock copy, the Beretta Nano. I got this beauty for a steal food 199. She sports night sights and crimson Trace laser and came with 2 6 rnd mags and 2 8 rnd mags for that price. It is everything Glock except for the take-down which is much easier and the trigger which in my mind is by far better. Yes it's a longer, slightly heavier dao pull but is far smoother and cleaner than the Glock. For a carry gun i prefer the longer pull.
View attachment 868351
Despite its pocketability it is extremely accurate and pleasant to shoot.
Example 2 is a Ruger SR9C. An extremely reliable and accurate gun in its own way. Sleeker and more visually pleasing it also shares the "Glock like" trigger. Stock it is also superior to the Glock trigger. With almost identical 5 lbs trigger weight it is cleaner and smoother than the Glock without the "wall" the Glock trigger has.
View attachment 868352
Granted you can improve a Glocks trigger with upgrades if you want to put more cash into it.
The point is, with the competition providing better stock triggers and comparable reliability, why is Glock not matching the competition?

I hear ya on the Nano. I am a big fan. Recently finished putting 10,000 rds through one and bought two more. Also put a New APX carry grip on one of them.However, I think I like the Nano grips better. Tough, reliable gun and mild shooter. I would love to See Beretta come out with one about the same size and lighter weight. Say around the same weight as the Kahr. And Like the Kahr, I much prefer The striker Fired DAO. The Nano and Kahr now are about the smallest in class. Both have smooth, deliberate triggers. Just what I prefer in a small carry. The APX Carry grip can interchange with the Nano. The Nano has a higher bore axis. Some will like the New APX grip better depending on personal likes.
And some folks just do not like a Striker fired DAO. The Nano/APX trigger and the Kahr are are just great IMO for these small CCW guns.
APX grip on left, Nano on Right.


Also have a SR9C as well. Great gun for sure.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

Well... let's all pile on the OP!

The OP started a Glock bashing thread, you should expect a little push back.

 

[1KPerDay]

Glocks make me a little angry. They are physically painful for me to shoot much. I get Glock knuckle bad. It makes me mad that they refuse to build a pistol for the human hand. It's not that hard. Everyone else is doing it.

I also don't like that the mags don't drop free for me. About half of mine do and half don't.

I also am upset by how well I shoot them whenever I do. Crappy trigger, ergonomic nightmare, etc. I shoot them well. And I think they look cool. And the simple, reliable, revolutionary design is absolute genius.

 

[Pat Riot]

No bashing from me. You like what you like.
I like Glocks. That is what I like. When I first tried them I was a 1911 guy and shot single action guns in Cowboy Action Shooting. I wasn’t too crazy about the trigger but I worked through that initial dislike pretty quickly.

If we all liked the same things the shooting world wouldn’t have so many cool options, now would it.

 

[JR24]

Glocks make me a little angry. They are physically painful for me to shoot much. I get Glock knuckle bad. It makes me mad that they refuse to build a pistol for the human hand. It's not that hard. Everyone else is doing it.

I also don't like that the mags don't drop free for me. About half of mine do and half don't.

I also am upset by how well I shoot them whenever I do. Crappy trigger, ergonomic nightmare, etc. I shoot them well. And I think they look cool. And the simple, reliable, revolutionary design is absolute genius.

Fit my hands well, guess I'm not a human . Heck, I find the Gen 4 or 5 17 as comfortable, or possibly more comfortable than my well loved 1911s. Especially with the medium beavertail.

I will say, however, the finger grooves on the Gen 3 and 4 compacts (19, 23, etc) are problematic, luckily the Gen 5s solved that.

Only ever got Glock knuckle from the Gen 3 23.

I also have a Beretta APX Centurion that has, by all measures, a nicer feeling trigger (especially with the competition spring) and much better ergonomic fit for my hands.... yet I don't shoot it anywhere near as well as any of my Glocks, including a 26 with a 10 round mag and 2 finger grip.

Sad, because the APX is real nice, just doesn't see any use.

Edit:. Thinking on it, I do have a major point if irritation with one Glock design and that's the 30/29 and it's "can't decide if it's a compact or subcompact" hybrid grip. If they would have just made a 19 length full grip (which it achieves anyway with the 10 round mag) I'd still have one. Instead they picked the perfect size to ensure a beet red pinky after every range session from viscous pinching. OEM base plates, Pearce, whatever, nothing worked. After a few years of that is said screw it, bought a 26 and didn't look back

 

[1KPerDay]

Only ever got Glock knuckle from the Gen 3 23.

Yeah, I filed two Gen 3 23s down they were so bad. My G41 is bad also. And I agree about the G30.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

Yeah, I filed two Gen 3 23s down they were so bad. My G41 is bad also. And I agree about the G30.

What is "Glock Knuckle"?

 

[GunnyUSMC]

A Glock trigger is easy to clean up. It won’t be a target trigger, but who wants a target trigger on a carry gun.
I get to shoot many guns and can tell you that there a lot of guns with triggers worst then Glock.
The Beretta Nanos that I have fired, approximately eight of them, have not impressed me. Number one is they point down for me.
Now I do like my Beretta APX. It has a pretty good trigger.
Not all guns are the same, just as not all people are the same. We all find what fits us the best.

 

[jmr40]

A standard Glock has a 5-6 lb trigger with a crisp letoff, almost exactly the same as a typical out of the box 1911. If you manipulate it correctly. Some guys completely release the trigger and work it like a DAO revolver for each shot. You won't get good results that way. But if you just let off enough to reset the trigger is quite good. And the guns are quite accurate. I don't shoot most out of the box 1911's any better than a Glock. You can have a 1911 worked on, or buy one manufactured as a target gun that will have a better trigger and be more accurate than a Glock. But as a combat pistol a Glock is as accurate as any other.

I also have, or have had several other guns with lighter striker fired triggers. But those guns (Ruger LC9s. Sig M17, Ruger SR9, S&W M&P), all have 1911 style thumb safeties. The 5-6 lb Glock trigger is OK by me without a safety. But when you start talking about 3 lb triggers with no safety; no thanks.

 

[JR24]

What is "Glock Knuckle"?

The middle knuckle on the middle finger of the strong hand getting battered by the trigger guard. It can be relieved some by undercutting the trigger guard. I've also heard the texture change on the Gen 4/5 and the removal of the finger grooves help for some folks.

 

[Logwood]

AMD6547 - My Agency issued the Hi Power for a lot of years, and I absolutely loved mine. Preferred it over the 1911, even the Commander. When we switched to the Glock 19, I was really upset. Stayed that way for a couple of months and slowly came to realize the Glock was the better carry gun (at least for me). I soon adapted to the trigger; didn't care for the finger grooved grip - but at least they're not as deep as found on some guns. After a while I just started ignoring them. Also found it was a much more reliable gun to carry in dusty, sandy conditions like Iraq and Afghanistan. Bought a Glock 23 in 2003, and its been my primary CCW since that time. I do often trade off to my customized Commander .45 acp.; but while I love the Cz 75 Compact and Sig 365 - the Glock is my go-to gun.

 

[Tallball]

I have a G22, G26, and G43. Their triggers are okay with me. Not great, not terrible. I can shoot them just fine. Not as well as my target pistols, but better than some of my regular ones. The triggers and practical accuracy are plenty good enough for a service pistol.

 

[Riomouse911]

Like Gunny and Pat said above: variety is the spice of life and when you find what works best for you you’ll notice that it often isn’t what works best for others.

The only Glock I’ve ever altered (other than sights) is my 17L. That one had a trigger with a blade that stuck out a bit more than on my other guns, making it annoying. I dropped in an Apex trigger and all is great.

Glocks certainly ain’t classy or full of hand-crafted beauty and charm... but they do work 24/7 in winter, spring, summer and fall.

Stay safe.

 

[earlthegoat2]

I feel the same way about 1911s. Well not about the trigger. The trigger is good on 1911s. It has a deserved reputation. I just don’t like the gun for what it is.