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Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Godsgunman, Oct 29, 2019.

  1. GunnyUSMC

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    Sometimes it seems that you take things a little to personal. I know that you are a fan of the Beretta Nano, but my comments were not directed at you. I did not say that the Nano had a worst trigger then a Glock. I said that there are some guns with worst triggers.
    I did say that I have not been impressed with the Nano, because it points down for me. I then stated that I like the Beretta APX and that it has a pretty good trigger. I was merely pointing out that there were two different guns from one company and that I liked one and not the other. And yes, I was talking about the full size APX.
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    I know that you like small guns. And you know that I like larger guns. There’s nothing wrong with that. We all have the things we like better.
    Now this topic did start off about triggers.
    I also know from your posting that you prefer a heavier trigger. I find nothing wrong with that.
    I have never been a big fan of DAO triggers or DA/SA triggers, but that is not to say that I can’t shoot guns with those types of triggers. But just because I don’t care for them doesn’t say that others shouldn’t like them.
    And like you said, it’s great that here in the USA we can choose what we like best.
     
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  2. Jeb Stuart

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    No, not personal, just replying that we are different in our views. I tried to convey that. Sorry if I offended you. I think it is great we can be friends and differ in our opinions.
    I do not think anyone wakes up one day and say's Hey! I love DAO. For myself it was a aquired skill, but once learned, just do not want to go back. Now a large Pistol is different. Like the SR9C I prefer that trigger.
     
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  3. Styx

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    As a side note, I just purchased a G17 Gen 4. I also have an APX. IMHO, both triggers are okay, but the APX has a nicer trigger. The G17 will be a range gun that I plan on modding. I know the Glock trigger can be improved for cheap as well. With that said, Beretta just had a press release stating that they're slashing their MSRP... CZ seems to be gaining in the civilian and competition market.

    STD APX $329
    APX FDE $339
    APX RDO $479 (Optic Cut)
    APX Combat $529 (Optic Cut, Threaded Barrel, 22 round mag)
    APX Target $599 (long slide competition setup)
    APX Carry $329

    These are MSRP prices, so they'll sell for less. With everyone dropping prices and it being a buyer's market, I wonder how much these deals are cutting into Glock's civilian sales. They do seem to be slowly losing market shares, and their higher prices in a buyer's market are leading their customers or potential customers to go to their competitors. S&W, CZ, and Sig seem to be their biggest threats. Sig seems to be slowly gaining some traction in L.E. and military sales with their P320..

    Seems like Glock, Sig, and HK aka companies who primary service LEOs and militaries accross the world are the main companies not budging on price.
     
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  4. JR24

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    I feel the opposite between my APX Centurion and any of my Glocks, especially the Gen 5 19 it directly competes with (the slide as wide as a Glock 21 also doesn't help for CCW), even with the competition spring (which makes the trigger even smoother, try it if you haven't).

    But you are right, especially with the $100 rebate they had this summer the APX is a good gun for a very good price.
     
  5. rskent

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    Styx, if you are on a tight budget and trying to raise a family maybe you should consider spending that 50 bucks on them, instead of spending it on guns. To me, that would be the responsible thing to do. But that’s just me.
     
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  6. Styx

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    I haven't owned or shot a Glock in years, and only have an example of one which is a G17 Gen4. The trigger pull is spongy on the Glock.
     
  7. JR24

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    Fascinating, that's how I'd describe the APX compared to my Gen 4 17, 21 and 26. Smooth yes, but no wall and a mushy break, which is fine, just not my preference.
     
  8. Styx

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    Did I ruffle your feathers or something? People on a tight budget can buy things, go out, have a Christmas, and other nice things within their "budget" you know? My point was that for people like Mike J who are raising a family of four on one income, they don't have the privilege of not shopping for the best deal if they want to buy something they want.

    My family is well taken care of by the way. I save money where I can, I work optional overtime if and when I want to buy something I want, and I don't spend outside of my means... For me, the more money I spend on something means that I'm going to have to spend more time at work to recoup, so I try to get the best deal possible. YMMV... I wasn't attacking you or how you do things under your circumstances.
     
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  9. Mosin Bubba

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    From a utilitarian perspective, I think the Glocks are just about perfect. They're lightweight, rustproof, virtually jam-proof, and the bullets-per-square-inch ratio is as high as any handgun out there. And did I mention that they're really cheap? The Glocks "safety" bothers me, but from a purely functional perspective, I can't think of anything else to criticize.

    But purely as shooters, Glocks are kind of lacking. The grip angle is weird, the trigger's not great, the U-and-dot sight is better than the normal 3 dot but still not great, the finger grooves that some have are garbage... some people like them, but I never did.

    I see Glocks sort of like an AK. For arming a million illiterate conscripts they're awesome, but when you get around to actually shooting one, you realize they kind of suck. For police departments or armies issuing mass quantities of pistols to non-gun people who won't take care of them, you're not going to find a better gun out there. But if I'm shooting for fun, I'll take a CZ, 1911 or revolver any time over a Glock.

    I need to try shooting more different polymer pistols and maybe find one with a frame that works for me, cause the Glock box just doesn't. But no striker pistol is going to have a trigger as nice as a SA revolver or a 1911.
     
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  10. Trey Veston

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    My BIL and I both bought new pistols; he a CZ P10C and me a Gen 5 G19 MOS. We took them out and shot them side by side. The Glock had a better trigger, was more accurate, more compact, and the grip texture was better. The CZ was cheaper and the ergonomics were slightly better. We both agreed on those points. We were both happy with our purchases. We still talk. Had I more disposable income, perhaps I would pick up a CZ even though I didn't like the P10C, I am aware that they make many different models that are generally highly regarded. I don't base my opinion of an entire manufacturer off of one range session with one model.

    You can see several examples of people that shot or owned one specific or decades old model of a Glock and declare them "blocky" or with bad triggers, or didn't feel right.

    Now with Ruger, I have owned and shot several various Ruger semi-autos from LCPs, SR9s, P89s, P95s, etc. and can say with some authority that I have never met one that didn't feel cheap and far inferior to Glocks, Sigs, M&Ps, HKs, etc.

    I just don't like them. Their finish is subpar, the polymer they use feels cheap, stamped and MIM parts abound, and they are generally not accurate, look funky, and are just a couple of steps above Kel-Tec and Hi-Point.

    I look at the specs and price point and am tempted to pick up an SR series, then I fondle one and am reminded why I don't like them and pass.
     
  11. JTQ

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    That whole transaction sounds fishy to me.
     
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  12. Jeb Stuart

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    I would put a SR9C up against any Glock made. They are built tough. Just break one down and compare to a Glock. I might agree with on some points, but man, feel like you are way off on the SR9.I think some others might jump in on this as well. Now if you can show me how they are built better, I sure am open to seeing for my own eyes
    And while I am a DAO fan in small guns, the striker fired trigger in the SR series is extremely nice. .

    Here is the Sr9C

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  13. Trey Veston

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    SR9s may be built like tanks inside, but they also have the typical Ruger polymer and finish, which I find distasteful. The people doing the polishing and final finishing of the Ruger pistols at the Prescott plant were the lowest paid workers and were placed in that division after scoring the lowest on the skills test when applying. The highest scoring were placed in the CNC division. I believe they were started out at around $8 an hour, or about what the typical fast food worker made. I started out at $12 an hour as a CNC operator. That was in 2012.

    But it's fine if others love Ruger autos. I don't understand it, but it's OK. Heck, my dad's EDC is a Ruger EC9-s. I shot it extensively one afternoon next to my XDS and my new Taurus G2c.

    The Ruger was the least accurate and felt the cheapest, but had the best trigger. Dad is a retired Chief of Police and FBI and can carry anything. He loves his Ruger, lol.

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  14. Ramone

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    I was told years ago that one should not have a 1911 trigger lighter than 3.5 lbs because that's about what one weighs loaded. Not sure if that's really the reason, but I believe that was the limit for NRA competition.
     
  15. Jeb Stuart

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    SR9C? Mine shoots great.And extremely accurate for myself.
     
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    I am a huge Ruger guy, but I don't really like their auto pistol designs. I got one of the first P85's when they came out and shot it a ton. It just did not feel right in my hand. I kept it and started saving up for a Beretta 92 or a Sig 226. I was in college at the time and books and beer kept my Beretta bank from growing. I was in the gun store one day and they had a literal pile of Glock 17's. They were priced at $250, which was 1/2 the price of a Beretta and about a 1/3 of the price of a 226 at the time. I checked them out but was putt off by the plastic and the "Doink" noise of the gun being fired. The salesman was a friend and promised to buy the gun back for full price if I did not like it. Needless to say the Ruger went down the road and the Glock became a good friend. I still have that gun and after many thousands of rounds, it still performs like the day I bought it. While I have tried the various Ruger autos as they have come out the Glocks are my go to.

    We are lucky to live in a time with so many great choices. Like rifles, a handgun should fit your hand and feel natural. Glocks do that for me, but I understand that they don't work for all. I would never disparage another man's choice unless the gun was subpar. In the case of Rugers, they are not. Go for it if that is what you like.
     
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  17. GunnyUSMC

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    I’m starting to have a love hate relationship with my IPad and auto correct. I need to start proof reading before posting.:(
     
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  18. JTQ

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    Man, I misspell stuff stuff all the time, but sometimes it does turn out funny.
     
  19. kheeka

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    Wow. Glock owners seem a little touchy. Dont see where OP was bashing them, just said he didnt like the triggers. Guess what I dont like Glock triggers either.
     
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    I dont like worrying on triggers in general, and worrying on ANY of them, simply gets in the way of good shooting if you let it. Your focus should be elsewhere anyway. :thumbup:

    Glock triggers are no better or worse than any of the others. If you cant shoot the gun, no matter what it is, dont blame the gun, thats not where the problem lies.
     
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    What's great is that [many of us] live in places where we have a plethora of options available to suit pretty much everyone. Why all the stupid bickering about other's personal choices?
     
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    He doesn't have it any more but one of my neighbors had a trigger job done on a 3rd Gen G-23 he used to have. He let me shoot it at hunting camp. There is absolutely no way I would have carried that gun. It was fun pointing it at water bottles & watching them explode when I thought about pulling the trigger. I would be scared to carry it though.

    FWIW I've never minded a Glock trigger.
     
  23. MilesR

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    Glock owners seem very defensive.
    I've tried them and dont like that mushy hollow sound either nor the grip nor the inflated price.

    There's much better out there for less .
     
  24. jmohme

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    Go into settings and turn off auto fill and auto correct. You will thank yourself later.
     
  25. Jeb Stuart

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    Yes Indeed, So many guns to choose from. If you do not like a gun or trigger etc. then for God sake, simply choose another. What next. Arguing what backstrap is better on a certain handgun. Pissed off, because others have a different size hand, longer/shorter finger etc? Internet. --What size shooting glove should I buy, a extra large are a small?

    Saw this comment and felt it was one of the best I have seen so will post here. "
    In general, the obsession with bore axis in some quarters of the handgunning public, is at best insanely exaggerated. Kind of like latching on to the aerodynamic benefits of tailfins on an old Cadillac. There’s probably something to it, but the reason it got popular, is because it allows the intellectually lazy to latch onto some sort of sciency sounding simple “explanation” for something, that in reality is infinitely more complex.

    Of course, it also allows hucksters on the manufacturing side a quick way to slap together something that is ostensibly “better” than what else is out there, simply by overfocusing on one, rather irrelevant aspect of a gun, which with striker guns are almost trivially easy to get as low as one can go.

    Grip shape, grip angle, trigger, how well the grip shape is matched to trigger weight and pull length etc., are much more important factors than simply how much polymer has been dremeled out of the back of the grip. And even the above factors, more than anything, come down to simple familiarity."
     
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