https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...-wins-and-biden-loses-in-major-liability-suit
A case in which involved an accidental shooting that left a man paralyzed.
A case in which involved an accidental shooting that left a man paralyzed.
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To add, the incident involved a group returning from a church retreat. A teenage girl found the gun in the car, seen the magazine was removed and thought it was safe to pull the trigger. There was a round in the chamber. The suit said that there wasn't a safety to indicated that a round was in the chamber. Glock argued otherwise.
Of course nothing seems to have been brought up by the plaintive on how the girl was able to have control of the gun in the first place.
Of course nothing seems to have been brought up by the plaintive on how the girl was able to have control of the gun in the first place.
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Ridiculously irresponsible gun owner making both the gun and responsible gun owners look bad, let's not turn a blind eye to that...
Ridiculously irresponsible teenager is more like it. She found the gun in the car. There’s a gun. It’s not yours. Leave it the hell alone.
While I agree the teenager was irresponsible, the owner of the car should have a loose gun and maybe a car full of teenagers is not a good mix. Ultimately it was on the owner.
.455_Hunter
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I usually rag on Glock, bit this time they are on the clear. She pulled the trigger: Any non-safety or safety-off gun would have discharged. I blame the girl 50% for stupidity and the vehicle/gun owner 50% for negligence.
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RougeLeader1
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Agreed. While it may not be ideal, the fact is that the majority of Americans have no clue regarding gun safety and a similar majority are impulsive and prone to... questionable decision making. As the owner of a firearm, you must see yourself as being the expert in the room regarding the safety and handling of your firearms. It is your responsibility to ensure that your firearms are controlled and are not involved with the harm of other citizens.
I think a lot of the gun community is quick to point out the stupidity of other people but are equally quick to ignore the stupidity that can emanate from our own ranks. I've personally felt unsafe on a range and the GF has had multiple close-calls with NDs in her RSO job.
And what is the owner supposed to do with it? Put it in a safe? Where was the gun found? I keep mine loaded in the door or center console. I have 3 girls. 5, 7, and 11. They don’t touch it. Girlfriend has one loaded in her purse. They don’t touch it. I would expect a little kid to not understand or be curious. But a teenager hasn’t learned not to mess with other people’s property? Potentially deadly property. She should have learned that lesson years ago. At some point we have to stop placing blame on everyone else and start blaming the people who commit the act.
It’s not yours. You don’t know how to safely operate it. Leave it alone. Or this is what happens.
RougeLeader1
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If you are transporting people who may not have been taught correctly and leave the car, then perhaps keep it on your person? Or lock it in a glove compartment? Nevermind the second question here, that if this was some kind of self defense pistol why exactly was it not stored with a magazine present yet a loaded chamber?
I agree with you that the girl is guilty here and should face any charges that may result, but ultimately the liability of what happens with a firearm is on the person who owns that firearm.
1942bull
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It would have been better to sue whoever let the loaded gun go unattended. That is the responsible party.
unclenunzie
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The adult is responsible, in my opinion.
illinoisburt
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I very much do blame the gun owner. Pointing an 'unloaded' gun and pulling the trigger has been the story of so many tragedies it's appalling. It's the reason we have gun safety classes and so many places have storage laws. Would not have happened if his gun wasn't in the kid's reach to begin with. Have it in your control or secure it. No excuses.
Negligent discharges are nothing new, but we can expect to see more of them in the future because there are fewer incentives and opportunities to learn gun safety. The current agenda is to treat guns with fear rather than education.
Elkins45
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Yes, but they probably don’t have millions of dollars to pay a settlement...
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I hate magazine safety disconnector guns.
Can't blame glock for designing a proper gun in that respect.
Can't blame glock for designing a proper gun in that respect.
JR24
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While I agree about the responsibility of your kids thing, I keep mine (if left in the car) either in a lockable console in my truck or a little lockbox I bought for travel. If kids are around mine is ways locked up if not on my hip, regardless of how responsible the folks around are.
Also, if the trigger is forward, the Glock is cocked and ready to rock and there's a visible and tactile chamber loaded indicator so the lawsuit fails instantly on those grounds.
Howland937
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In my home state, a firearm left in a vehicle is in possession of whoever is in the vehicle, ie. If I leave my loaded gun in my Jeep while I run into the store, my S.O. is violating the law since she doesn't have a CHL. So its then required to be be stored in accordance with laws pertaining to unlicensed firearm possession in a vehicle (unloaded, stored separately from ammo)
This is the kind of thinking that leads to laws like in my state that says the gun owner is responsible for what a criminal that stole the gun does with it. Responsibility lies with the person in possession.
dogtown tom
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Part of being a responsible gun owner is ensuring your firearms are safely secured or inaccessible to others. Academy, BassPro, WalMart all carry inexpensive handgun lockboxes.
So yes, the owner should have secured that handgun.
Irrelevant. Under the seat, glovebox, armrest, side pockets aren't safe places to store a firearm.
<-----teacher/coach for 40+ years and I would love to know where this magical place is where children dont touch the belongings of others.
Last month in Dallas: https://www.dallasnews.com/news/cri...side-car-in-pleasant-grove-dallas-police-say/
Having taught your children firearm safety doesn't mean others have been taught.
Further, most common place for thieves to steal guns? Cars.
While I don't blame Glock in the least, the victim was negligent in securing his firearm.
Yup.
dogtown tom
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So..........a kindergarten teacher that leaves a loaded gun on her desk bears no responsibility if one of her students fires a round into a classmate?
Negligence is a thing.
We aren’t talking about a kindergarten teacher. We are talking about a teenager riding in a car that finds a gun and then decides it a good idea to pull the trigger.
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