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Glocks through metal detector? Um...right...

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by nwilliams, Jan 16, 2007.

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  1. nwilliams

    nwilliams Member

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    Ok so where did the myth come from that you can take a Glock through and airport metal detector? A friend of mine (who knows jack about guns) was trying to convince me of this the other day! I remember in the second Die Hard movie Willis makes a comment about this, is that where it started? Just curious if anyone knew the story behind this. I've heard it in other movies also so I'm thinking its a Hollywoood myth.
     
  2. SniperStraz

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    Its for sure that its a myth, and may very well have originated from some anti trying to prohibit glock imports or something like that. I have no proof of said statement, its just a hypothesis.
     
  3. BobTheTomato

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    I think it was said in Die Hard 2. When Bruce Willis is talking to the head of airport security he lets him know that the gun the bad guy was using wasnt picked up on the security machines. (either xray or metal detectors....I forget which)
     
  4. DaltonSpringfield

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    Shortly before Glock came on the scene, and long before I ever saw one, there was a heavily hyped piece about this "undetectable gun" and how kids could take it past metal detectors to shoot up their schools, on the NW Ohio local (liberal) news stations. There was a piece a few months later on a different station where they put the theory to the test, and every metal detector beeped at it. That leads me to believe it was:
    Not sure if this came before or after the movie though.
    Dalton
     
  5. svtruth

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    Even if

    you made a non-metallic, radio lucent gun the bullets (without which it is pretty much useless) are full of lovely, radio-opaque LEAD.
     
  6. Dr. Dickie

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    This came out in the early '80s when Glocks first arrive on the scene (IIRC). The thought was that since they were made of plastic, they would not get picked up by airport metal detectors. Like most urban myths, there is always a sub-set of the population that will believe without checking (that is usually the media), especially when the "facts" do not further their agenda.
     
  7. El Tejon

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    For our younger members: the myth was created out of whole cloth by a newspaper columnist, Jack Anderson. Anderson alleged in a mid-80s column that Libya, Qaddafi was the Usama bin Laden figure then, had purchased Glocks to smuggle into passenger planes.

    It was a deliberate lie to stop the importation of Glocks. Whether he did it out of his firm belief in a disarmed American people or whether American gunmakers paid him for his lie is unknown.
     
  8. Lucky

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    Svtruth technically 'metal' detectors should be called ferro-magnetic field detectors, because they are like a big electromagnet and if you move a chunk of iron into their field the field changes, and the alarm trips.

    Could you explain what radio lucent is thought? For the other people who are wondering, of course.
     
  9. Khornet

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    Radiolucent

    means "doesn't stop x rays very well". Think of a chest xray: bones, being denser than lungs, stop more of the radiation so it doesn't reach the film, and the unexposed film is thus still cear, appearing white when held up to light. Lungs, being air-filled, are radiolucent: a high percentage of radiation passes through and darkens the film, so lungs appear black.
     
  10. Lucky

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    Well then that's simple, put the radio-lucent magic gun through the x-ray machine, and carry the cartridges on you through the metal detector. Except for the magic gun not existing, it's a plan!
     
  11. Cousin Mike

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    I'm not sure who came up with it, but I first heard it back in the 80's when I was a kid. Supposedly, the "new guns" (back then nobody I knew had heard of Glock) were "made out of porcelain" and could "pass through metal detectors". :D

    I remember thinking back then (even though I knew nothing about guns):

    "A gun... made out of the same stuff as my mom's china? How's THAT supposed to work?" :scrutiny:

    That's funny, El T - I'm sure that pretty much explains it. Perfect timing and everything, since I remember being about 6 or 7 years old when I heard that...

    FTR, I was born in '80. :)
     
  12. El Tejon

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    The porcelain/ceramic lie was added later via the movie "Die Hard II".

    I worked the gun counter when that movie was out. I cannot tell you how many requests for a "Glock 7" I received but if I had a dollar for each one my gun collection would be over 20,000 pieces.
     
  13. Wedge

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    I also once had a guy tell me that he was given by order of the President after serving as a special security detail to the President of the United States a GLOCK 5, which was similar to a GLOCK 7 but had select fire capabilities. :rolleyes:
     
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    A guy I know once told me about his buddy's "pre-ban Glock", which could go through metal detectors because it was "made, you know, before the ban".

    We then got into a discussion about where the external safety was on it. I thought it was on the right side, he assured me it was on the left side, behind the trigger. ;)
     
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    CNY, was your buddy a cop in Finland (where the external Glock safeties were sold)?:D

    I love gun shoppes. The silliness one hears is hysterical.:evil:
     
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    Gather 'round the camp fire, lads, and I'll tell ye a tale.

    Some time in the summer of last year I was at Shorty USA's walk-in warehouse store looking for an airsoft 1911. I eventually wound up buying a WE 3.8 model, but that's neither here nor there. I also inspected a few other models, including KSC's artfully constructed 945 compact, but declined it based on the platic slide which was already showing signs of wear around the slide stop notch on the display model.

    (The KSC also cost more.)

    "The plastic slide really isn't a problem," the clerk assured me, "even real steel Glocks have plastic slides and they can take all kinds of abuse."

    "I beg your pardon," said I, "Glocks have plastic frames with metal slides and slide rails."

    "No," he insisted, "My buddy has three. They have plastic slides."

    Sadly, I had to inform him that both he and his buddy were full of bovine excriment and Glocks indeedy do have steel slides. I invited him to stick a magnet to one of his "buddy's" Glocks some time, through I strongly suspect neither said buddy or his Glocks actually exist.

    (This guy looked to be about thirty. He should be old enough to know better.)

    But it just shows you that the pervasive "plastic gun" misinformation still exists, even to this day.
     
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    I also remember hereing this myth when I was a teenager; that they could pass through metal detectors. Also that they we're cheap plastic throw away guns that every gangster could afford (like cheap guns are a bad thing). Heck I paid $600 for my last glock, hardly the cheapest gun around.
     
  18. Neo-Luddite

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    Gimme a plastic gun loaded with cop killer teflon exploding black talon armor piercing military grade easily converted to full-auto with a grenade launcher...

    and a bayonet lug.
     
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    I remember the 'plastic gun thing'. As I recal a law was passed on the heals of the BS from Die Hard II mandating something like 2ozs of metal in a firearm. There was some fella doing weapons research on plastic guns in the US and they went (forgive me) ballistic on him. He was actually working not on small arms at all but on actual military ordnance--rocket launchers and such. They drove him nuts.
     
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    Truth has never stopped anti-gun advocates from telling the world. I remember when they were first imported and the news did a show on it about the concerns. They sent one through an airport x-ray machine and it looked just like...A GUN!!!(imagine that!)
    Anyone who believes that has never handled one. The only thing polymer is the frame, and it still looks like a gun on the x-ray.
     
  21. Jim K

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    El Tejon is correct. Jack Anderson broke the story, with all kinds of hype and nonsense, but he was going on some tests conducted by a security expert who did smuggle a Glock past airport metal detectors and x-ray machines.

    He disassembled the Glock, and put the slide and magazine in his briefcase separate from the frame. He took the recoil spring and wound it around his eyeglass earpieces, like one of those elastic bands used to keep glasses on.

    I understand that at that time, Glock was not putting metal into its frame molding, so only the small parts showed on the x-ray. The slide, simply a blocky blob, did not excite any comment. No mention was made of ammo, so apparently none was involved. But... GUN GETS PAST X-RAY!! Horrible! Run for the hills! Ban everything!

    Did Anderson get paid off by American gun companies? Probably not; he was generally considered honest (unlike his mentor and predecessor, Drew Pearson, who never met a bribe he didn't like), but he was anti-gun and knew a good story when he had one.

    In fact, around that time, I was going through airports pretty regularly, and can state categorically that it would have impossible to smuggle any gun bigger than, say, a Bofors Twin-40 past those alert security people. Most were far more interested in drinking coffee, chatting with their co-workers, doing their nails, etc., than in looking at monitors or checking passengers. Of course it was spotty, so a terrorist could not have been absolutely sure he would not encounter a security person who was actually awake, but the odds were in his favor.

    Jim
     
  22. Eleven Mike

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    The following is highly illegal activity, and is not endorsed by Eleven Mike, The High Road, or its owners, moderators or members.

    Glocks can easily be smuggled past both x-ray and metal detector security. When placed in Tupperware containers, Glocks blend in very well, so are effectively camoflauged.
     
  23. Jim K

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    Ha, ha. But no.

    Jim
     
  24. shermacman

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    Hey, try it yourself!
    Put your fully loaded Glock in a Tupperware container and head on over to your local airport!
    Let us know how it works out!
    :cool:
     
  25. Dr. Dickie

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    You gun nuts just have to go one step too far!!:neener:
     
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