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Going to Cozumel

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by bigmike45, Jul 1, 2005.

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  1. bigmike45

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    My wife & I were just given an all expense paid trip to Cozumel by our son and I was wondering about carrying my concealed weapon down there and then carrying it concealed after we arrive. I have gone through transporting a gun while flying already without incident here in the good ol'e USA, but I am now going to another country.

    Has anyone had any experience with Cozumel and this issue. I would like to know the law and any of your experiences in such matters.

    Thanks
    Mike
     
  2. dangerclose

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    OLe!

    Cozumel is in Mexico. If you ccw there they will treat you like a piniata.
     
  3. eagle10

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    Don't try it!! If you are found with even a single loaded cartridge in your luggage, you are in deep s##t. The thought of being put in a Mexican prison while it is sorted out should make you doube/triple check your bags to be sure there is no ammo in them.

    The last time I was in Cozumel was about 10 years ago. I've heard it's changed quite a bit since then. Enjoy your trip - drink only bottled water :D
     
  4. jpIII

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    it's pretty much a BIG no-no.

    your whits are about the only thing you can arm yourself with.

    Good luck, and have fun. :)

    (According to Jacques Cousteau, the beaches of Cosumel are the most beautiful in the world)
     
  5. simon

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    The best thing you can do there is buy a cheap knife for carry *there* and then discard it for the trip home....
     
  6. Ransom

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    And you expect to get a firearm through customs how exactly?
     
  7. entropy

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    NO, NO, NO, NO! Unless you enjoy the thought of Jose, the area's infamous 400 lb. murderer/rapist, buggering you for the rest of your life. Mexican prisons are not enjoyable travel hostels. ;) My Dad got to know the police chief in Ixtapa, and as a professional courtesy gave him a tour of the police station. He said the lockup reminded him of 'Midnight Express'. :what:
    Cozumel is well patrolled by both local policia and los federales. You are safer there than in LA. Ironically.

    Enjoy your trip, don't drink Victoria beer, only drink bottled water that you break the seal on, and bargain with the tourist junk vendors, that's half the fun! :)
     
  8. Brasso

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    That island exists for not other purpose than to cater to tourists. We took a cruise there and as soon as we got off the boat there armed mexican police with m16's patrolling the streets. I wouldn't worry too much about safety. Stick to the tourist areas and you will be as safe as you can be. The beaches are spectacular.
     
  9. WayneConrad

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    Best idea might be to pretend you're a student in an American grade school:

    Don't bring a firing pin, or a magazine, or a spring, or any part of a gun.
    Don't bring a case, or a bullet, or any part of a cartridge.
    Don't even bring a picture of a gun or catridge.
    Leave your NRA keychain at home.
    Bleat like a sheep. Ok, maybe leave that part out. The rest of it, I ain't joking. I hear that Mexico doesn't joke around with this sorta thing.
     
  10. Hawkmoon

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    Also, do not bring any recreational chemicals. A single maijuana seed in your pocket can also qualify you to win an all-expenses paid trip to the lock-up.
     
  11. Travis McGee

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    Do NOT take even one cartridge to Mexico! Unless you want to spend many years in a dungeon.
     
  12. Sportcat

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    Don't go! :uhoh:
     
  13. hso

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    Don't take any firearm.

    Don't take any knife with a blade longer than 3 in.

    Take a cane that doesn't have a sword, knife, or goofy flaming skull head.

    Think of Cozumel as a gated secure community with heavily armed guards. Only go on tours the resort sets up.

    Don't worry about the water there, but avoid anything that isn't bottled when outside of the womb of Cozumel. Don't drink anything with ice in it either when outside of Cozumel.
     
  14. Remander

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    You will hear this a lot: Check it out, amigo! Come see my shop! Cuban ceegars, amigo?

    I saw one dude with a briefcase approaching a bank, with two fellows accompanying him who looked to be armed with M16's or similar rifles. I gave them a wide swath. Probably depositing the proceeds of his el cheapo t-shirt and cigar and duffle bag shop.

    We did get a decent outdoor meal at a restaurant on the town square, and the price was not too bad. The Carlos and Charlies and Senor Frog's type joints are turisto traps for sure.

    As posted above, even a .22 cartridge can land you in a hellhole of a jail. Note also the danger of knife possession.

    http://travel.state.gov/travel/tips/regional/regional_1174.html

    WARNING ON FIREARMS

    Mexico has severe penalties for taking in any type of firearm, weapon, or ammunition without first obtaining written authorization from Mexican authorities. It does not matter whether U.S. citizens are licensed to carry the firearm in the United States, or if they unintentionally transport it while driving in their vehicle, or have it in their luggage while traveling by commercial or private plane or boat. It also does not matter if visitors to Mexico are U.S. law enforcement or military officials. Mexican authorities strictly enforce laws restricting the entry of firearms and ammunition along their borders and at air or seaports.

    Each year dozens of Americans are arrested or fined in Mexico in connection with weapons violations. There are several dozen U.S. citizens currently incarcerated in Mexican prisons on weapons-related charges. Many of them inadvertently transported a firearm that they were licensed to carry in the United States without realizing they were violating Mexican laws. Some were driving across the border for a day visit, to shop or to eat in a restaurant. Remember that if caught bringing in a firearm, ammunition, or other weapon, Mexican authorities may confiscate a visitor's vehicle or other personal property and place the individual under arrest. Detained U.S. citizens may spend months in pre-trial detention while their case is being investigated. If convicted, they may face several years in a Mexican prison. While the U.S. consul can visit U.S. citizens in jail, make sure that they are being treated humanely, and provide a list of attorneys to assist with the Mexican judicial process, the U.S. consul cannot get U.S. citizens released from jail.

    U.S. citizens who approach Mexico along the land border or who arrive by boat should check carefully to ensure that someone else has not left weapons or ammunition in the vehicle or boat. If U.S. citizen visitors realize they are in possession of firearms, ammunition, or other weapons, they should not proceed into Mexico. They should not attempt to enter Mexico - even to turn around - or go through Mexican Customs. All land border crossings have pull-offs or turnarounds on the U.S. side. The only way to legally import firearms and ammunition into Mexico is to secure a permit in advance from the Mexican Embassy in Washington, D.C. or from a Mexican Consulate in the United States. Mariners who have obtained a Mexican firearm permit should contact Mexican port officials before attempting to enter Mexican waters, to learn about specific procedures to report and secure weapons and ammunition.

    Some cities, such as Nuevo Laredo, have ordinances prohibiting the possession of knives, similar weapons or anything that might be construed as a weapon. Tourists have even been arrested for possessing souvenir knives. Most arrests for knife possession occur in connection with some other infraction, such as drunk and disorderly behavior.


    http://www.usembassy-mexico.gov/nogales/NE_ACS_page.htm


    WEAPONS AND AMMUNITION ARE ILLEGAL IN MEXICO.
    If you cross the border with weapons...

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    You will be part of dozens of American Citizens arrested each month for violating a very strict Weapons and Ammunition Mexican Law whether you are informed or not.
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    You will go to jail and your (automobile) car will in pounded.
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    You will be separated from your family, friends and employment also you will probably suffer economically in a substantial way.
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    You must pay for your court defense and other costs that oscillates in tenths of thousand dollars .
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    If found guilty you might have a sentence up to 30 years in a Mexican prison.

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    Once you crossed the border with weapons and ammunition it will too late.
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    The lack of knowledge of this Law will not give you indulgency by the police officer.
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    You will be arrested and imprisoned.
     
  15. Mannlicher

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    All you can do as a tourist in Mexico, is depend on God, and the kindness of strangers. Mex is the one place where I think I would fear the cops more than the criminals. Frankly, I would just not go.
     
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    Don't even think about carrying a BUTTER knife! I was in Rosarito and I got arrested for purchasing a knife. It's a scam. The little kid with his tray full of goodies goes around selling knives and then when you pay him, a crooked son of &**^&& cop walks up to you and arrests you. Let me recall. Cop pulls me in an alley. He looks left, right, and tells me I'm going to jail. He was courteous enough to inspect my wallet for identification. As he pulls out my ID ($180) he says he's doing it for my benefit since it's only a Friday and the courts don't open till monday.
    The funny thing is he got another one of my buddies (same local, same scam), the following week. Oh we had a laugh about it. Hope that SOB gets what's coming to him.
     
  17. gazpacho

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    Bring cash, travellers checks and credit cards that have PIN numbers. Leave your check book at home. In fact, I'd recommend writing the PIN on the back of the credit card. Cozumel is real safe, but kidnapping for ransom is on the rise. They know that credit cards have PIN numbers, and thats the fastest safest way for them to get a lot of money in a hurry. They won't believe you when you tell them that your cards don't have PIN numbers. They'll just torture you (or your wife, while you watch) until they get a number that works. In a situation like that, it would be bad to forget your PIN number.

    When you get home, destroy the cards, change or deactivate the PINs, and get new cards.

    Oh, and no guns. Not even fake ones.

    For self protection consider a Bogen Monopod for your camera. Both the tilt head and the entension clamps are made out of cast metal, with hard lumpy knobs. The tube section is also metal. Collapsed, either end will make a good bludgeoning club. More expensive/heavy ones will hit harder.
     
  18. XLMiguel

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    Mexico Sucks -

    Why would you go to Mexico? They promote a conscious effort to flood our country with illegal immigrants, drugs, and other human detrius. They don't even play fair, they are corrupt. Why are you going to Mexico?? Get a refund and go someplace that's actually friendly to the US. And re-educate your kid - nice gesture but . . . . .

    There are better beaches elsewhere. Go someplace you aren't a target of opportunity or a 'tourista sheep for shearing'. Don't support those perverts and criminals :barf:
     
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    +1 with Mike
     
  20. MechAg94

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    I am not sure of that location, but I have heard stories that many times the bottled water is refilled from tap water (even at hotels) so you need to make sure the bottle is sealed.

    I heard one story from a girl I know about taking a cross country tour. They stopped at a little shack to get lunch. She said the raw ground beef was sitting there on a table with flies all over it. The cooks would shoo them away to get the beef to make the burgers. She said she wasn't hungry after that.

    My brother and his wife have gone a few different times to the all expenses paid resorts and had no problems at all.
     
  21. TimboKhan

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    Yo Mike,

    You have your opinions, and thats fine, but you might want to ease up on this "human detritus" and "Perverts and Criminals" crap. My biological dad was from Mexico, thus making me 1/2 Mexican. I went on to win a bronze star for this country in Desert Storm, and served with a number of 1st generation Mexican-Americans. Shoot, did you know that you can earn citizenship by joining the military? I served with two mexican nationals who were also Marines (Immigrated illegally, eventually got their green cards and joined up). Additionally, there are several Mexican Nationals listed on the Vietnam Memorial wall that died in service to this country. You might want to consider that before you start stereotyping an entire nationality. Oh, and by the way, why don't you go pick tomatoes at slave labor rates (think I am lying? since 1996 there have been six cases that resulted in convictions for slavery in Immokallee and LaBelle, Florida.), why don't you go pour concrete in the hot sun, and why don't you go do any of the other jobs that Americans have, by and large, deemed unsuitable. They aren't "stealing" American jobs; they are taking jobs that we don't want to do. I am not advocating open borders, and obviously there are criminals and all the attendant problems that they bring with them that are coming over the borders, and I obviously am not a fan of that, but you make it sound like every Mexican that crosses the border is a POS, and that is just plain stupid. Sorry to get on my soapbox, but your opinion is shortsighted and at least to me, offensive.
     
  22. LiquidTension

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    Timbo - illegal immigrants do not take jobs that Americans have deemed "unsuitable" as you say, they simply take the same jobs for less money. Then they send that untaxed money back to their family in Mexico, thereby completely circumventing the entire tax system (except perhaps for minute amounts of sales tax). This has robbed an American of his/her job and also contributed ZERO to social security and income tax (which pays for things like roads that illegal immigrants DO USE). In short, illegal workers get all of the benefits without paying a dime for them. I realize that most times there is nothing malicious in a person's desire to work in the US, but there is no reason those same people cannot go through legal channels. You cite examples of several Mexicans serving in the US armed forces - this just strengthens the argument for coming here LEGALLY. I have no problem with Mexicans or any other nationality coming to America, as long as it is within the bounds of immigration laws.

    As for Cozumel, I'd place my entire fortune on the fact that Sunset Beach on Ishigaki is a much better beach, not to mention the fact that it has better reef than I've seen in any National Geographic special. If you can't get a refund, by all means take the trip. I know several people that have been to Cozumel and they all loved it. Keep your eyes open, don't drink the water, and have a good time :)
     
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    ^ +1 kinda...

    I am working for the summer for the School District in the county where I live. The district does not hire illegals. So far I have worked as an electricians assistant (running wire to temporary classrooms, in the Southern Texas summer sun and heat)... And if that sounds coushy, I have worked as a roofer too. The ShingleFelt got so hot one day, around 2PM, that the tar coating on I almost glued me to the roof. My supervisor, an aging, grizzled, very very tan (4th generation) Mexican guy had to cut me loose. Me and a lot of kids my age (18-20) work as "helpers" for the summer. I would not say we get paid "a lot," however it is a bit more than a fast food place or a department store (ive worked at both). And we have the oppertunity to work overtime. I know I am gratefull as hell to have that job, even tho it is very hard work. I am white, 5th or 6th generation American, and I come from a family (my dad and uncles) who started out working manual labor but worked their way to sucess, which I am very proud of.

    What I mean is, the truth is that Americans do want the jobs illegals take. The District is also very carefull not to contract people who hire illegals. The constructions crews that work on schools look like some of them might be of mexican descent, but most are white or black. They could give my summer heat roofing job to an illegal, and would you say I magicaly dont want it anymore? If I had to, I could work this job the rest of my life. I plan on bigger and better things, but the point is, not all working class American familes are sending all of their kids to college. We do want these jobs. Me and a lot of other young *Americans* want these jobs. We line up for them.

    Anyway, I went to Cozumel on a cruise. On the beach they serve drinks with ice in them. Everyone drinks (lots) them and no-one ends up sick on the ship. However, if you go to a little hole in the wall mexican resteraunt in the basement of a shop, have a Coke (mexican coke tastes wierd but good, and seems to only come in bottles...) instead of a glass of water. Big touristy resteraunts and bars with menus in english will serve water and ice that either comes from jugs or is filtered. They would not stay in busniess if the cruise director said as we pulled into the port "By the way, everyone who eats at Marty's Mexican Grill gets sick from the water."
     
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    Seems the point was made a while back to bigmike45 that he shouldn't attempt to take a firearm to Mexico ... and, as expected, the thread turns into another opportunity to bash the hapless Mexicans and re-argue our illegal immigration problem.

    Mike in VA: As one who once married a lovely Mexicana, and has many fond memories of wonderful times spent south of the border, I only wish folks like you could be a tad bit more tolerant before dismissing an entire nationality as "human detritus," "criminals" and "perverts."
     
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    Absolutely do not take your weapon!I know of a guy that crossed the border
    in Texas and they searched his truck and found a single rifle bullet under the seat. The guy sat in a Mexican jail for 6 long months. Heck you may not ever get out if caught carrying a loaded weapon.
     
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