Going with Aimpoint, but which one???

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I just dropped the hammer and purchased my AK (Lancaster Arms) and I am looking at optics for it.

I have read from many of you that Ultimak with an Aimpoint is a great option and I think that is the direction I am leaning.

I'm new to red dot optics and my question is:

1. Which Aimpoint to go with and why?

2. Is there any concern with the barrel heating up to the point it will affect my Aimpoint?

Thanks in advance.
 
I would suggest the Aimpoint Micro series, they mount very low and I have heard that it is possible to "co-witness" the irons and the optic. It is not necessary to do but it can have some advantages to do it this way. Do you intend to use it in a serious manner or just for a fun plinker and casual target shooting? For the later it wouldn't matter but co-witnessing can be an advantage in a serious situation where your optic would fail as co-witnessing would still allow the use of irons. My brother has a side mount on his Arsenal rifle with a red dot on it. It is a doctor type sight but he doesn't use it much because of its limited usage at longer ranges. Anyway, I suggest an Aimpoint micro if you are going to use the Ultimak rail but it would still be a good idea to wait and see how others who have this setup might say about my opinion.
Hope I helped some.

I will be getting myself the Aimpoint 9000SC for my Mini-14 in the near future. I am limited to a two riing attachment due to my priority Ruger Ring means of optic attachment. I do not recommend that particular model for you though.
 
By the way, have you tried over at AR15.com?
the AK guys over there might have some more to say on this subject.....
 
The Micro on an Ultimak mount will give you the lowest optic w/the least weight forward but costs the most. A std Aimpoint (I like the ML3 myself) over the receiver cover costs less but sits higher. HTH...
Tomac
 
The UltiMAK Micro combo is the s*i*t.

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You need to first decide how much to spend. Aimpoints have a very wide range of pricing, from the high 300's to about 7.
 
Thanks for the replies.

Let me be a bit more specific. I have been reading as many of the "optics" threads regarding AK's as I can and the best setup, for what I want, appears to be the Ultimak with an Aimpoint. Let's just assume that I will pay what I need to, to get the setup I want. I would like less expensive, but will go more expensive if needed. I want something that will be very effective at 100 yards or less, but won't inhibit shots of up to 200 yards.

So in looking at Aimpoints:

I like the micro Aimpoints, but there are 3 of them. Does anyone have a preference of the 3 and if so, why?

There appears to be 7 different Aimpoint (comp) models. Does anyone have a preference of those and if so, why?
 
About the Micro sights...

Two of the Aimpoint Micro gunsights were made for civilian application and the price is a bit less. One is marketed towards military and law enforcement. Personally I do not believe that there is much difference in durability, but there could be. you may be able to take the Military model (T1) into more "extreme" environments. the Major difference is that the military model (T1) is that it is night vision compatible. The Two civilian models are just different colors so you have more of a choice to go with your gun (H1 and R1). The R1 is silver.


by the way, I just got this from Aimpoint site:

"The only difference between Micro R-1 and Micro H-1 is the color. The Micro T-1 is NVD compatible and carries other environmental specifications than the Micro H-1 and Micro R-1"

personally, if you want a micro, i would get the H1...
it costs a little less and I don't think you would need night vision compatibility (although you might if you have night vision goggles and intend to use them) or the requirement to use it in extreme environments.
 
Great info Gunsby, thanks.

I'm holding off on my night vision spec ops items until my "Mall Ninja" certification and diploma arrive. :D

Do you have any experience with the Comp series models at Aimpoint? Wondering if there are any advantages to going with one of those instead of the H-1.

Thanks again for the insights.
 
I recently bought an Aimpoint ML3 2moa model. I wanted something with decent battery life but didn't have a night vision setting. No NV compatability gives you a couple extra brightness settings and lowers the price by a few bucks. I think the micros all have the same 50,000 hr (roughly 5 year) battery life as the ML3. major difference will be the weight of the sight.

Tim
 
I have the Comp series on my AK's Ultimak rail. It was about $120 less than the Micro series.

I like the fact that it comes with lens covers, whereas the Micro does not.

It is about 2X as big though.
 
I would stick with the CompM3, CompML3 or CompM4. All aree milspec and rated for high abuse. More importantly, battery life on the 3 series is 50,000 hours and 80,000 on the 4. If you've ever pulled a gun out of the safe with a dead sight battery, you'll appreciate this feature.
 
The ring used must be the Low ring to cowitness with the AK's iron sights. The Medium ring will not cowitness.
 
Well, for the Micro series you will not need rings.
If you are going to go with a different Aimpoint, I suggest that you get the lowest rings available.

Just so you know, the dot on the sight will have to be adjusted to where it is EXTREMELY low inside the sight window for it to co-witness. I still suggest that if you want to co-witness, you should go with the micro. If you don't care about co-witnessing iron sights with the red dot, you should go with the full size Aimpoints. I am not saying that the full size Aimpoint will not co-witness, but it will be nicer if you decide that you just want to use the Aimpoint as a main sight without co-witnessing just because of the larger window.

To me, co-witnessing is not a big deal as the batteries on those things last for huge amounts of time and they are extremely durable. I don't know if it is all that necessary to get caught up in the whole co-witnessing craze anyway. It is not necessary but rather just a neat thing to do. its main purpose is for you to still use iron sights if the sight goes dead in a "sticky situation". So I say don't worry about co-witnessing if its just a fun gun. If you plan on using it for a serious application such as home defense, co-witnessing may be a greet idea. Just some stuff to think about.

Hope I made sense...

I would ask jlbraun about the full size Aimpoint setup that he has if you want to go that route.
 
The Micro series is what I went with for the following reasons:

Size - these things are tiny.
Weight - light as a feather.
Battery life - leave it on for years.
Low profile - co witness with standard iron sights.
Mounting - it comes with it's own built in mount.

I went with the T-1 because it will hold resale value better than the others.
Also, the 4 MOA dot is more like a 3.25 MOA dot.
 
Just so you know, the dot on the sight will have to be adjusted to where it is EXTREMELY low inside the sight window for it to co-witness.
The dot will generally be in the center of the glass, unless your looking at your iron sights. Either way, its zeroed. With the Aimpoints, it doesnt matter where the dot is in the glass, thats where the bullet will go. There is really no parallax issue with them. (except up close, at ranges where its really irrelevant) When you look at the iron sights, the dot will come down right onto or slightly below the tip of the front post.

To me, co-witnessing is not a big deal as the batteries on those things last for huge amounts of time and they are extremely durable. I don't know if it is all that necessary to get caught up in the whole co-witnessing craze anyway. It is not necessary but rather just a neat thing to do.
For the most part, I agree on the batteries and mostly using the dot over the iron sights, especially if you dont turn the dot off. If you do turn it off, and you do have cowitnessed sights, you always have a sighting option if the covers are open when you pick the gun up.

If your accustomed to not having the cowitness, you really dont know what your missing. Once you have had a gun that does, you tend to want it available, or at least I do. I've had them both ways, and all my guns no cowitness, AR or AK.

The biggest advantage is, the gun shoulders exactly the same as it does with the iron sights and you get the same cheek weld. You dont have to learn anything new. With the dot, you can shoot with a slightly more heads up posture, but all it takes to get the iron sights is to slightly roll your head down and they're there. The other advantage is, you instantly have confirmation that your dot is still zeroed.


One other nice thing with the Aimpioints that have covers. You can leave the front cover closed and still use the sight. This eliminates the need for the VERY annoying "kill flash" inserts. It allows you to set the dot brightness to a good level for low light, but still lets you see the dot when you go into a bright area, like when moving from shadow to light, or in and out of buildings. It works just like the old OEG type sights, but you do have to shoot with both eyes open and you cant be cross dominant. For a right handed shooter, your right eye sees the dot, the left eye the target, and your brain superimposes them.
 
Great info from everyone. Thanks for the input.

I decided to go with the Aimpoint CompML3 on the Ultimak rail with a standard low profile 30 mm scope ring.

I really like the micro's and if they came in the 2 MOA, I probably would have gone that route, but the reasons I went with the CompML3:

-I like that it has lens covers.
-I like that it has the 2 MOA which when turned to brightest setting can basically be a 4 MOA.
-Less expensive than the Micro's.


After this much time, research, and cost, let's just hope I can actually hit something with it. :D
 
What about lower 1/3 cowitness?
I have two AK's with Comp ML2's on an Ultimak. Using an Aimpoint "low" ring, my iron sights are in what I'd call the lower 1/4 of the tube, maybe a tad higher.
 
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