Gonzales Wants Arbitrary Power To Block Gun Purchases; Saf Says He Should Resign

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  1. madmike

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    I periodically inject this reminder into debates, when the rhetoric starts calling people "Traitors" or "felons." Hey, I do that to, about a great many politicians.

    Just keep in mind, it is rhetoric.

    You can oppose drivers licenses (I do) or licenses for firearms (I do) or trade agreements (I generally don't) or the actions of politicians (Almost always) or how Congress delegates its legislative power to the bureaucracy (I do).

    The Constitution does not mean what it says. It doesn't mean what you think it says, no matter how much documentation you have.

    It means what the courts say it says. Article III, Section 2.

    And that's the end of it.

    Unless you're prepared to step outside and start the revolution?

    Didn't think so.

    Want Gonzales gone? Write to your congressleeches, the prez, the newspapers, everyone. Make him unpopular enough and Bush might be persuaded to remove him.

    If he doesn't, there ain't nothing you can do about it. You were never promised a fair government. Only one that works.

    Is ours having problems? Yup. Is there a better one anywhere? Hmm...not in my experience. YMMV.
     
  2. Lone_Gunman

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    Bush isn't going to fire Gonzalez because he is unpopular. They are both wildly unpopular at this point, and getting rid of Gonzalez with only another year and a half in office isn't going to revive his sunken presidency.
     
  3. AntiqueCollector

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    Perhaps Lone Gunman, but satisfying the conservatives who want Gonzales gone may be helpful to the Republicans in 2008 to some degree. Bush can get back some support and thereby hurt the dems' chances if he's careful in the next year, although I'm doubtful he will.
     
  4. Outlaw Man

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    Oooooh, I'm going to have to calm down a lot before I write anyone in Washington about this. Anything I would write right now would surely secure me a spot at the top of that list.
     
  5. madmike

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    Outlaw Man: That is indeed a wise consideration. Make it eloquent instead of angry.

    Well, try. I REALLY have to wonder why Gonzales got the job...unless it was his hatred of "perversion" that appealed to certain conservatives and blinded them to everything else.

    BTW: I have one of Ashcroft's textbooks (one he wrote) if anyone wants a range target:evil:
     
  6. Dravur

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    Give me a break.

    Every firing of an attorney is for political reasons. Clinton fired them all to get the one guy from Little Rock who was investigating him and his buddies. Bush can fire any of em, for being a Democrat or for any other reason. The only reason this was a big stink was Gonzales stuck his foot in his mnouth and it was time for the MSM to gin up another false attack.

    Now, Gonzales is truly a moron. And his past actions and this one are enough for me to fire him, but the firing of attorneys is not a news story and is not even a blip on the radar, except that he opened his big trap and the MSM decided to make it their next issue.

    Gonzales should have just said, "Hey, the Prez told me to can those attorneys like Charlie the Tuna. He has that right and have a nice day."

    You will remember that none of the indignant Demos were upset when Clinton canned the whole bunch....

    oh, and by the way, Clinton was the first to do that and it was NOT something that "Every other prez did"

    So, Gonzales should go for the idiotic remarks he has made, but drop the firings, it is a non-issue that the Demos and their lapdogs created.
     
  7. gripper

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    I should re-phrase that...I mean I would gladly toss him for the things I hate about him-those are what the left should love him for. I would NOT like his departure to be for firing the uS attorneys(Clinton fired all 93 back in 1993)
     
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    From George W. "Friend-to-gunowners" Bush's cabinet. And remember, W wants to put him on SCOTUS.

    Neither one of those clowns ever met any power he didn't like.
     
  9. madmike

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    What politician ever does? Power tastes like chicken.
     
  10. River Wraith

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    He needs to resign now.
     
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    There's a good discussion of why the firings were almost certainly illegal here...

    So far, Gonzales doesn't believe in Habeas Corpus, the 2nd Amendment, or the 4th, 5th and 6th Amendments for that matter.
     
  12. R.H. Lee

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    Gonzalez suffers from the same ailment as all educated Hispanics. They forget who they really are and begin to think they're something they're really not.
     
  13. Chui

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    That's a bit over the top and broad sweeping don't you think, R.H. Lee?
     
  14. Well Regulated

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    Let's Hope Gonzales gets outed by the DC Madam Escort Services Case. She says she will name more Republicans on 20/20 on Friday
     
  15. R.H. Lee

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    Not really, Chui. Spanish colonialism did a lot of damage to the indigenous people. Maybe they don't really belong in the modern industrialized culture, and that's ok.
     
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    +1.
     
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    What a Joke

    Don't you just love the liberals ? In my travels off-shore I always listen to the seedier elements of the populous. I have never been in a zone where the crimminal element or terrorist had a problem obtaining firearms or munitions.

    *Used ARVN M-16's never fired, and dropped only once.
     
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    I'm going out in a blaze of glory...
     
  19. madmike

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    What, are Democrats too pure to use her service, so she has none of those to name?

    And are we taking the verbal word of someone engaging in organized crime as to the moral character of our officials?

    Attention, kettle: Behold thine ebon hue. Signed, Pot.
     
  20. madmike

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    Just be aware that half the posters are not aware of the definition of "War crimes" nor Article 2, Section 2, para 3 of the Constitution.

    "I don't like how he does things!!!" does not equal "He's a felon!"

    I can certainly find chargeable acts in there...but half the stuff they're whining about is above board legal.
     
  21. Geno

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    @$$H&[{!
     
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    The Founding Fathers were well aware of just how bad a bad government could be. That is why we have the 2nd Amendment.
     
  23. JLStorm

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    As much as I do worry about liberals in office, I believe that they would have valued civil rights far more than the "conservatives" in office. I dont think they would have passed The Patriot Act or half of the other bills that ignore civil rights. Sure they would think about passing them because they value the idea safety over security, but at the same time they do not like the idea of invading privacy or ignoring the civil rights that they value...which of course does not include the ability to defend yourself with a gun.

    All in all, as much as I would never vote for a liberal, I do think that less of a government "take over" like that allowed by the Patriot Act would have occurred had they been in office. Im sure other things would have gone horribly wrong though...

    Am I off my rocker in thinking like this?
     
  24. captain obvious

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    If this is the kind of nonsense that one can expect from republicans, I'm seriously going to support Hillary. At least the damage will be overt, and maybe, just maybe, the republicans would serve a useful purpose in creating gridlock.


    Other than that, the only [THR acceptable] option is secession.
     
  25. madmike

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    JLStorm: Yes, you're off your rocker.

    NFA 1934, GCA 1968, all the programs FDR created, Johnson...neither party is better, just different.

    The Dems want all your money and control of your actions for your own good.

    The Rs want all your money and control of actions they don't approve of.

    I want them both to go screw.
     
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