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good 25 cal catridge for hunting deer and maybe elk

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by agent00, Dec 27, 2008.

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  1. agent00

    agent00 Member

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    Hi, its me again with a new rilfe question: In the meantime I have saved enough money to buy an hunting rilfe for deer and elk very soon. I would like to use an .25 cal catridge . which are comon here in austria. But is there an .25 cal catridge powerfull enough to hunt deer and elk? I would be pleased hearing a few tipps.
     
  2. outerlimit

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    I don't see why you couldn't take an elk with a .25-06.
     
  3. TAB

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    25-06 or 257 weatherby mag are the only two that come to mind.


    the 25-06 will send a 120 grainer ~ 3000 fps.

    the weatherby mag will be in the 3100 fps with a 120 grainer.

    you most likly could add another 100-150 fps with hand loads in a modern rifle.
     
  4. BHP FAN

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    I'd trust my little 6.5 Carcano to knock over a deer,but I wouldn't even try it on an elk.Not the ones we have around here anyways,it'd just piss them off.
     
  5. woof

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    Why would you limit yourself with a .25 cal in a new rifle when so many better cartridges are available?
     
  6. redneck2

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    There was a pretty good article by John Barsness in Handloader Magazine some years back about using a .257 Roberts for elk. He's done it for years. I guess the main idea was that too many guys think they have to use the new super magnums.

    Problem is, they get the snot kicked out of them every time they pull the trigger. End up not being able to hit a barn from the inside. The smaller the rifle, the more important it is to use better bullets that plow deep and hold together. You probably need to be more selective about shot placement.

    FWIW....IIRC, the animal that was the world record for something like ninety years was killed with a .30-30. Guess nobody told that elk it wasn't supposed to die.
     
  7. Lloyd Smale

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    i wouldnt be a bit afraid to hunt elk with a 257 roberts or even a 250 savage loaded with 120 grain bullets. the only thing the others do is give you a tad more range. But out to 200 yards both of these rounds will take care of any elk.
     
  8. Jim Watson

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    The elk in Austria are related to the North American moose, not the Wapiti that we call elk. I think a .25-06 with a controlled expansion bullet should do the job. Many are shot in Sweden with the 6.5x55.
     
  9. agent00

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    @woof I want to buy an 25 cal rifle because I am intersted in reloading und .25 cal bullets are very common here in austria. Thx for your your tipps. I will check the prices of the 25-06 und the 257 wheatherby rounds.
     
  10. MachIVshooter

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    The .25-06 is the premier quarterbore, and an excellent multi-purpose cartridge. I use mine on everything from praire dogs to elk. Handloading will narrow the gap between the .25-06 and .257 weatherby to less than 100 FPS.

    My hunting handloads are:

    75 gr. V-max @ 3670 FPS for varmints

    100 gr. Barnes TSX boattail at 3560 FPS for antelope and deer

    117 gr. Sierra BTSP @ 3220 FPS for elk
     
  11. agent00

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    @MachIVshooter thx for your answer. I think I will buy an mannlicher rilfe in 25-06 remington. the 257 wheatherby would also be avialable but the factory rounds are too expensive for my budget. the 250 savage would also be quit cheap, but in my opinineon the 25-06 would be the better choice..
     
  12. Al Thompson

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    I agree on the .25-06. Good luck with that Hirsh! :)
     
  13. agent00

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    @Al Thompson Thx.:)

    ps: What do you think about the 260 remington? Is that an good catridge for my needs. It would be possible for me to get an used 260 rem rifle at a good price.
     
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    The .260rem is a ballistic twin of the 6.5X55. It will do anything the metric round will do, in a short-action rifle.
     
  15. agent00

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    @Clipper I see. Well, the 6,5 swedish mauser would also no bad choice, but it is not very eay to get an new hunting rilfe in that caliber. I can get an military surplus rilfe, at a very good price, but I am not sure if such an old rifle can handle current hunting loads.
     
  16. moosehunt

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    The .25 caliber is plenty adequate for deer, but certainly on the weak side for elk (moose)--not saying it won't work if conditions are correct, but more than a bit light.
     
  17. GooseGestapo

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    Having two .257Robt. and a .257wbymag, the WbyMag is going to be your best bet. The "Bobs" are much better when reloaded and within 250yds close enough to the .25/06 and .257wbymag, that the difference isn't significant.

    Nothing against the .25/06, it's just not much different from the "bobs". I've loaded for friends .25/06's and shot several. One was particularily accurate, too. (a "re-worked" Cooper would shoot sub 0.5moa with 100 and 117gr GameKings and H4831, but needed to be "blue-printed" and re-chambered and re-crowned. Long story, but Cooper wouldn't "warranty" the accuracy as it would shoot 1.5" with verticle stringing..........it went back twice before owner had David Sams "re-work" it.)

    If you don't reload, (you really should), the .25/06 is your best bet for deer.

    If you reload, go with the Wby. Vanguard in .257mag. Yes ammo IS expensive. However, I don't own a single piece of Weatherby brass for my .257wbymag. I've formed all from 7mmRemMag. Just a single pass through the die and "voila", I've got a .257wby case, though be it about .050" shorter than factory. I then slightly trim the cases to uniform them and chamfer and de-burr the case mouths.

    Loaded with WC-860 powder, I get 3,325fps with 115-120gr bullets. Trajectory is about like a .22-250 with 60-64gr bullets!
    Deer are mostly bang-flops, or very short runs. Recoil is about like a .270wcf or a 7mm-08. Not bad at all.

    For elk they will be a tad light, but then again, anything is a tad light on elk. Shot placement with a decent bullet is imperative. The .25's offer light recoil, good trajectorys, and adequate "splat". Use a Nosler 115 or 120gr Partition, a Barnes 115 TSX, or Swift 120gr A-frame.

    However, since I have a number of better elk rifles, I'd opt for something heavier;
    For high mountain hike-in hunting, I'd take my Rem. M7 in 7mm-08. If paying for a "money hunt", I'd take the Colt LtRifle in .30/06, for a little more insurance. If hunting an area for "trophy" elk, from horse-back, of if late in the season after they've been "poked" a bit, perhaps my .300RemUltMag. If hunting in dense cover, perhaps the .338/06 with 250gr Nosler Part. for end-to-end penetration. Especially if bears could be expected, (the big ones, not blacks.......).

    You really can't have too many rifles, but the decisions become harder! Trust Me!

    Now, what do I take to hunt that powerline Monday AM ????
    Hmmmmmm...........................................................
     
  18. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

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    Do you mean red deer or wapiti? Either way, if I were you, I'd get something a little bigger - either a .270 win, .280 rem, or larger. But a .25-'06 (preferably with a 1 in 9" twist) with heavy 117-120 grain bullet (preferably bonded) will do if you do. So will other .25s with less powder (.257 Robt's, etc.).
     
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  19. Shawnee

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    "Now, what do I take to hunt that powerline Monday AM ????"


    Your .243, of course.

    ;)
     
  20. agent00

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    @GooseGestapo Thx for the answer. And you are right, maybe it would be better to buy at first only an deer rilfe, (an 25-06 or an 257 roberts) and than later when I am more experiecend an second larger caliber rilfe for elk. mannlicher rifle in 30-06 springfield would be a good choice. Another option would be to get one of the 300 mags.
     
  21. Seafarer12

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    I would go with a 25-06 myself.
     
  22. oregonhunter

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    Why not compromise and get a .270 win. Great all around cartridge.
     
  23. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

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    Ding, ding, ding - BINGO! :)
     
  24. agent00

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    oregonhunter Yes byuing an rifle in 270 winchester wouldn't be a bad idea. But I have to check the prices of the 270 winchester mag factory rounds. Which factory load in 270 win would be suitable for elk?
     
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    any 150gr load will work
    I was talking about the 270 winchester not 270 wsm
     
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