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Good hot .380 ball ammo

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Frozen North, Jul 7, 2011.

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  1. Frozen North

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    The more I shoot .380, the more I doubt it's ability to penetrate adequately with expanding ammo. After much thought and many different ammo choices, I have decided to use ball for carry. My dilemma is that most ball ammo I see is loaded pretty light. Most ammo marketed for SD is advertised to approach 1000fps, but the ball is listed in the 600-800 range.

    Does anyone offer ball ammo loaded as hot as the self defense JHP?

    I really don't care about the brand name or where it comes from as long as it is brass cased and of top quality.

    I already own a Glock 26 that I carry 90% of the time, but my .380 comes out to play sometimes too.

    Thanks!
     
  2. Geckgo

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    Buffalo bore offers a +P fmj I think. I just feed mine WWB flatpoint FMJs, they will do the job out of a 380. If I get into casting I might work up some lead "hunting" bullets for it, which I think would be the best, but I don't really pay that much attention to my 380, it's just a backup in the pocket.
     
  3. CPLofMARINES

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    You could try Fiocchi or S&B, they are a little hotter.



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  4. Smaug

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    Ah geez. Another guy has convinced himself 380 is suddenly inadequate.

    I tell you what. Go out and buy a couple of big, fat chuck roasts. Sit them next to each other, a couple of jugs of water behind them. Blast a self defense 380 through them. Find the bullet in the water jugs and have a good look.

    You can thank me later.

    Otherwise, why not just sell it and go buy a 44 Magnum snubby. Buy a bunch of pants two sizes too big. Get some Buffalo Bore 300 gr. hard cast. That should do the job.
     
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    Wild Bill made good use of his Colt .36 cal revolvers and with a max powder charge it's just opening .380acp's door.
     
  6. Frozen North

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    I ain't gonna waste good meat! That's a sin!

    I did my due diligence, and I feel that .380 is better suited with ball ammo in a very cold place like MN. Heavy dress is common here.

    I don't want to turn this into a caliber war. I am a 9x19 guy if there has ever been one. I don't have moose gun mentality, but I am trying to be realistic about .380 penetration and performance.
     
  7. Yahtzee4U

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    This may be what your looking for....Buffalo Bore 100gr Hardcast flat nosed. It is standard pressure and is realworld tested at around 950fps for the small lcp, keltec style .380's. BB offers +P ammo as someone mentioned but Ruger says not to use it in my LCP so I don't, probably could but hey, why push it.
     
  8. Frozen North

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    That is exactly what I am looking for!! 100gr at 950fps is about all you should need from a .380. I am shooting a Bersa CC, so I have a bit more barrel than an LCP too.
     
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    In the past couple months...

    I personally chronographed a newly acquired PPK in .380 ACP. Shooting factory Remington 90 grain FMJ ammo, the five shot average was around 980 fps as I recall.
     
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    I will second the Remington ammo, it was also accurate out of mu PPK/S. The Fiocchi performance was not as good in my gun.
     
  11. Frozen North

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    What flavor of Remington?
     
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    By relying on gut instincts and feelings rather than on actual tests and data? That's fantasy, not realism ;).

    "Heavy dress" is laughable. Unless it's made of kevlar, there ain't no coat gonna stop a self-defense .380 load. You're inventing a problem that doesn't exist before running off in search of a solution.

    The self-defense ammo is mostly about extra power anyways - you're not going to see significant expansion at these speeds so HP vs FMJ is really not much of an issue. The quality of the ammo will change though. In my LCP I saw my groups shrink noticeably when switching from WWB to Hornady Critical Defense.
     
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    The old Spanish made "Santa Barbara" was the hottest I'd ever chronied IIRC getting well over that 1000fps threshold


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    This gun seems to shoot Mag Tech range ammo better than the speer gold dot, Hornady CD, and Winchester Ranger T. It has trouble feeding the Hornady CD too. Like I said, I did my shooting....

    I have no gut feelings that tell me that .380 can penetrate a forearm, pass through a heavy winter parka, and still get the job done.

    I shot stuff, lots of stuff. Water jugs, blankets, old parkas, and other junk. My neighbors think I am running a shooting range over here. I shoot allot more than I post, that's for sure. I did my shooting and made my own decisions on what to do. That seems to be behavior encouraged on this forum

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    I DO NOT want a bullet that is going to expand in .380 if the shot has to pass through an arm or is quartering away. 8'' could easily leave the bullet to rest in an arm pit. IMO, expansion does you no good if the bullet does not penetrate.

    Bad guys don't just stand there and let you shoot at them.... I think...
     
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    Effigy... Very helpful link. Thank you!
     
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    Sure thing. I'd bookmark that site if I were you. It's the best place to go for finding cheap bulk ammo prices in all calibers (if you're willing to order online). I just ordered about $600 worth of assorted ammo last week. :D
     
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    The Santa Barbara "Semi Blindado" Flat point is some of the best .380 I've ever shot. I kick myself for passing on a crate of 1983 SB priced at $3.25/25 at Military Gun Supply back in 2006.
     
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    "Wild Bill made good use of his Colt .36 cal revolvers and with a max powder charge it's just opening .380acp's door. "

    Yep, and his first documented kill in Kansas was a heart shot at over 70 yards. Pretty impressive shot with any handgun, especially a cap & ball!:what:

    LD45
     
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    "Does anyone offer ball ammo loaded as hot as the self defense JHP?

    The Speer "Lawman" series has the same powder loads in the FMJ and JHP, and a heck of a lot cheaper than the Buffalo Bore.

    LD45
     
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    I got the same weapon, BB is good. But I have been using 95 gr Aquila With good results.
     
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    Express, I use the fmj and jhp as carry ammo in my LCP, in guns without the dreaded +P warning I use BB. But Express is my answer to the over priced $1.00 a cartridge SD ammo.
     
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    When I carried my Bersa Thunder (it has been replaced as an EDC by a Kel-Tec PF9), it was loaded with Remington UMC 88-grain JHP. However, "heavy clothing" is not as common here in southern Florida. My Grendel P-10, with a shorter barrel, is loaded with the same company's 95-grain FNEB, and I really like that round in such a short barrel. If I had a pocket-380, that's what I'd use (the Grendel is never carried; it used to be a truck gun, but now sits in the safe, just never got around to unloading it, or saw a reason.)
     
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    It's good to hear you did some shooting research. Would you care to share some results with us? Pix hopefully?

    It is not quite as cold here north of Chicago in the winter as where you live, but it isn't too far off either, I bet.

    It seems like maybe the best bet is for you to move up in power level a bit. Maybe a Ruger SP-101 with a heavy 38+P or a compact 9mm, for instance a Walther PPS.

    I have a Bersa 380 also, and I quite like it. I can see why you are trying to make it work.

    Feeding reliably is a big deal, obviously. I guess you didn't find any HP ammo that feeds reliably for your Bersa? If you did find one, let's say you tried that. In the worst-case, wouldn't the HP just fill up and cause the bullet to not expand? Then, it's just like a FMJ and you haven't lost anything.
     
  25. Yahtzee4U

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    I think what he's saying is that the HP filling up and acting like a FMJ is the best-case-scenario for him. He doesn't want a HP because the petals act like breaks and thus the light 380 won't penetrate to well, especially if it hit's something before hand.

    Frozen North, another good round is the Golden Saber HP, it's a whopping (lol) 102gr and from every vid I have seen always get's adequate penetration due to it's slightly slower velocity but higher weight. I don't think the HP itself is anything amazing but it'll do.
     
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