Good News: Defense bill has 1911's transferring to the CMP

[FN in MT]

Wonder what the release of ALL these guns will do to the 1911A1 collectors market?
Currently any GI marked gun is worth a premium....All of a sudden here comes 100K onto the market. Even if it takes 5 years to sell all of them...it will have to hurt that market.

 

[Panzerschwein]

Thank God we have our CMP overlords to piece these out at the highest prices to the collector crowd. This will keep the riff raff away that may actually want to buy them to shoot.

 

[Hacker15E]

Wonder what the release of ALL these guns will do to the 1911A1 collectors market?
Currently any GI marked gun is worth a premium....All of a sudden here comes 100K onto the market. Even if it takes 5 years to sell all of them...it will have to hurt that market.

Didn't seem to ruin the Garand market when the Greek and Danish returns came to the CMP and the once-per-lifetime limit was rescinded.

 

[Sam1911]

Thank God we have our CMP overlords to piece these out at the highest prices to the collector crowd. This will keep the riff raff away that may actually want to buy them to shoot.

They'll go out at the price the market says they should. Just like any other good sold should do. Supply and demand determine price.

 

[Panzerschwein]

A massive dump might actually allow these pistols to be affordable to the common man.

That's all I'm saying.

 

[1KPerDay]

CMP will price them at a grand or more and they'll still all sell in 3 days.

 

[jrmiddleton425]

Understand something here...Obama originally signed the first NDAA that included this in 2015, for fiscal 2016. The Army didn't transfer any pistols. And they still don't have to transfer any.

 

[Old Dog]

Have at it, guys. I assisted my unit's armorer in crating up all our 1911s (in 1992) to ship back to Crane. Not a one I'd have wanted to keep for myself. If the historical or "collector" value is so worth it to any of you that you must procure one of these pieces, fine, but I'll admire and shoot my old commercial Series 70 Colt or my 1991 Springfield Armory 1911A1 when I feel nostalgic and need to harken back to the beloved Government Model I first carried on active duty ...

 

[Tirod]

A massive dump might actually allow these pistols to be affordable to the common man.

That's all I'm saying.

It's already been limited to 10,000 a year. Drop in the bucket to current sales. And if you already have bought one off the auctions or across a counter, that doesn't make these all that desirable. Graded and the best put up for auction makes them no bargains, we can get 1911's from the Philippines all tricked out for under $450.

This will drag out for ten years, with some buyers searching at least daily if not more often to see what gets posted to sell, and having their credentials in order.

Now, what will happen in the first years release? I suspect things will be frenzied to the point of servers crashing. Then, once the guns start shipping, we will get to see what we will get. Those reports might not please everybody - we've been well warned by folks who actively handled these in the military and who know what they are. The real problem are the civilian buyers with blinders on, and flippers. When a large number of guns start sitting in auction listings getting turned over repeatedly for months at imaginative pricing, I suspect that by the next release, some common sense might intrude and more responsible buying comes around. Not to forget those who do make "GI" versions will be playing off the condition of their guns with ads that highlight significant differences which would appeal to the public - at lower prices - for a new unfired gun.

Certainly something to keep our minds off the pending 4,200 sealed indictments coming up in Federal Courts.

 

[CoalTrain49]

Understand something here...Obama originally signed the first NDAA that included this in 2015, for fiscal 2016. The Army didn't transfer any pistols. And they still don't have to transfer any.

They will if congress passes that bill and the pres signs it. The language in the bill makes it mandatory.

A massive dump might actually allow these pistols to be affordable to the common man.

That's all I'm saying.

Who is this "common man" to which you refer.

 

[namedpipes]

I have a 1945 Remington and it is very reliable and smooth. Feed it well and use modern mags and it will poke holes in targets all day long. My gorilla hands would find most modern pistols tiny and awkward.

I probably won't buy one of the CMP models when they are available but I love the 1911 I have.

 

[Sistema1927]

I probably won't buy one of the CMP models when they are available but I love the 1911 I have.

Most of us love the 1911's that we have, but those who carried them at the end of their service life, such as myself, saw very little to love.

 

[Tirod]

Late update, the CMP is making this a lottery, one gun per customer a year. You get to purchase what is in the electronic rack when your turn comes up, as is where is, no C&R, they NICS you on application and again on selection. They will sort and grade them on receipt and that is a 150 day window after authorized possession.

Details in the other, newer thread.

 

[Jim Watson]

There is a program which supplies government surplus to local law enforcement. I have seen two examples here.
A municipal department got a few 1911A1s, of which I have seen three. Two were fresh refurbs, the other was either a pristine Remington Rand or a fresh refurb with all RR parts. If the CMP sends out many like those, there will be a lot of happy campers, war stories of worn out guard and training guns notwithstanding.
If you look on the 1911 board and see some of the junk being foisted off on entry level collectors, you would consider a worn out guard gun a step up. Sorry examples to outright fraud.
(The cops don't know what to do with this largesse, the guns are heavy and only hold seven shots. Be nice if they could trade three surplus for six Glocks, but they are not allowed to put them "on the street.")

Oh yeah, the other example, what is the campus police force going to DO with those Humvees?