1. Bikerdoc's passing and how you can help

    As many of you know, bikerdoc- AKA Al Spiniello- is no longer with us. There are always extra expenses when someone passes. If you would like to contribute to support his family, please do so here: Bikerdoc GoFundMe page.

    (Note - this notice can be dismissed by clicking on the X in the upper right corner.)
    Dismiss Notice

Good news for Beretta fans, M9A4

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by sabbfan, Sep 14, 2021.

  1. sabbfan

    sabbfan Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2012
    Messages:
    572
    Location:
    Gilman, IA
    Just saw Beretta is introducing a new 92 series variant that is optic ready https://www.beretta.com/en-us/m9a4-full-size/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=M9A4&utm_campaign=Launch_M9A4&utm_term=Organic&utm_content=Hype_Video&fbclid=IwAR1025sJY8aVv3CtKOPiH9yubdXSqfD3DwHMIw471BbEcmH0M6Wt1Ot_h9o

    They must be taking what Landon has come up with in his recently introduced optic cut for red dots. Glad to see a factory variant to keep the 92 series going since they recently produced the lat M9 for the military.
     
    Heir Kommt Die Sonne likes this.
  2. zaitcev

    zaitcev Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2016
    Messages:
    931
    Unfortunately, Beretta isn't re-using Langdon's work. Their design is completely different, and follows upon the 92X Performance that Armi i Tiro posted in November 2020. You can tell at a glance because Beretta's design has two separate milling areas on the slide, with separate covers. Langdon's mod is done with one milled area, more like it's typically done on other guns. Because of this, sights are going to sit noticeably higher on Beretta's cuts. Not sure what they are going to do about the co-witness.
     
    1KPerDay and sabbfan like this.
  3. sevt_chevelle

    sevt_chevelle Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2012
    Messages:
    529
    Location:
    Wisconsin
    Not the same cut that Langdon does, he also had to redesign a few internal parts.

    This shares the same optic mounting found on the 92 defense. The defense lacks the pic rail in attempt to shed weight to make weight for European gun games.
     
  4. herrwalther

    herrwalther Member

    Joined:
    May 1, 2013
    Messages:
    6,634
    Quite an interesting plate area. Using 2 inline screws instead of side by side or staggering. Makes sense on such a narrow slide the like the 92 is famous for.
     
  5. JCooperfan1911

    JCooperfan1911 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2020
    Messages:
    1,415
    It seems Beretta releases a new, very slightly modified or “upgraded” M9 every year now and all the fanboys trip over themselves to snap them up.

    I’ll wait another decade or so when the ULTIMATE TACTICAL UBER SUPREME DELUXE model is released... then I’ll TRULY be ready to defend myself! :barf:
     
    reddog81 and Homerboy like this.
  6. Homerboy

    Homerboy Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2007
    Messages:
    807
    Location:
    NE Pennsylvania
    Eh. I’m happy with my standard M9 and my 92FS Vertec. Never saw a reason to change anything beyond that, although I’ll admit to being tempted with the 92X. M9A3 holds no interest to me.
     
  7. GunnyUSMC

    GunnyUSMC Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2012
    Messages:
    10,144
    Location:
    Denham Springs LA
    A new prom dress and lipstick, but it’s still the same pig. Now matter how you dress something up, it will always be what it is.
    AAA8E434-DDE4-44FE-9B63-0C1B104A6B57.jpeg
    I like my APX much better than the 92.
     
  8. Homerboy

    Homerboy Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2007
    Messages:
    807
    Location:
    NE Pennsylvania
    The 92 is no pig. Classic firearm and always will be. I’d take one 92 over 5 plastic (and extremely ugly) APX’s. But $1100 MSRP takes it out of consideration for me. There is not one feature on that gun that interests me. Beveled magazine well? Never had an issue with non beveled. Sand resistant mags? I’ll survive without them. Suppressor ready barrel? Not suppressing my gun. Optics ready slide? Never gonna put a red dot on there.

    And the FDE is revolting to me. I’m sure they will come out with a black version like they did the M9A3, but then it’s just a Vertec with some enhancements, none of which mean anything to me, and I already have a black Vertec. I’d take one if it was given but the 92X has enough upgrades without the $1100 price tag if I feel the need to add another 92 to the safe.
     
    Last edited: Sep 16, 2021
    Gordon likes this.
  9. Shipwreck

    Shipwreck Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2005
    Messages:
    3,862
    Location:
    Texas
    Well, I already have an M9A3. One of the very 1st batch, made in MD before they moved to TN (they only made 1 batch of those). I'm good. I don't use a red dot, so I have no reason to switch to an M9A4.

    ps90-m9a3-2-zpsfwjce9ag.jpg
     
    Gordon likes this.
  10. GunnyUSMC

    GunnyUSMC Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2012
    Messages:
    10,144
    Location:
    Denham Springs LA
    The grips are to big for the average hand size and the safety moves in the wrong direction. I carried a M9 for several years and can tell you, there are better pistols on the market. And the part about it being a Classic firearm. It was a Classic when the US military adopted it. It was just an old gun that got some upgrades.
     
    Bcwitt likes this.
  11. Homerboy

    Homerboy Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2007
    Messages:
    807
    Location:
    NE Pennsylvania
    Grips were never too big for me and I wear a large sized glove. Certainly not a big hand. But the straight grips available on the Vertec and the newer models solve that issue. The 92 is an iconic gun. Star of virtually every mid 80’s to late 90’s movie. There are better options to launch bullets and I don’t carry mine, but I’d take it any day over any modern plastic gun unless I’m carrying concealed, but it doesn’t fill that role. Military has carried them for 35 years and counting. I’d say that makes it iconic and a classic.
     
  12. sevt_chevelle

    sevt_chevelle Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2012
    Messages:
    529
    Location:
    Wisconsin

    Why is it every time a product comes out and if one doesn't like it, it's just some taticool mall ninja thing?
     
    CNobbe likes this.
  13. Nature Boy
    • Contributing Member

    Nature Boy Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2015
    Messages:
    6,325
    The only thing I don't like about it is the price
     
    Gordon likes this.
  14. .455_Hunter

    .455_Hunter Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2005
    Messages:
    3,494
    Location:
    Colorado Front Range
    No comparison between a proven design platform like this and M17/M18 P320 abomination that was "selected" for service.
     
    js8588, Homerboy and Gordon like this.
  15. JTQ

    JTQ Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2009
    Messages:
    9,014
    Location:
    NW Florida
    Nobody ever seems to be upset Glock has forty different versions of the same pistol.
     
    Bcwitt, Nature Boy, Shipwreck and 2 others like this.
  16. Old Dog

    Old Dog Member

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2004
    Messages:
    8,059
    Location:
    Back on Puget Sound
    I still like the original...and the A3. I always shot well with the M9; it fits my hand perfectly. While it will never be my first pick, I'd not ever feel under-gunned or lacking if it was all I had.
    M-9.jpg
     
    md7 likes this.
  17. md7

    md7 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2006
    Messages:
    1,347
    Location:
    Mississippi
    I’m quite pleased with my 92FS and 92A1. If the A4 features appeal to someone then I’d imagine they’d be as well pleased with it as I am my beretta pistols.

    However, as much as I enjoy my berettas my edc will be a G26 and HD pistol will be a G19 for the foreseeable future.
     
  18. Fishbed77

    Fishbed77 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2010
    Messages:
    3,091
    Any idea if it will be possible to run back-up suppressor-height sights with a red dot? That optics cut and mount make that red dot look likes it rides awfully high.
     
  19. GunnyUSMC

    GunnyUSMC Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2012
    Messages:
    10,144
    Location:
    Denham Springs LA
    My son loves the Beretta 92. I bought one for him in 2014. This pic was taken on his first range trip with it.
    I can shoot the 92 very good, but it’s just not my cup of tea.
    206ABC17-F202-4CEC-8354-739604908CDE.jpeg
     
    CNobbe and Shipwreck like this.
  20. JTQ

    JTQ Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2009
    Messages:
    9,014
    Location:
    NW Florida
    Don't forget, SIG offered a P226 Diamond Plate edition https://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-sauer-p226r-diamond-plate-9mm-siglite-night-sights-da-sa.html

    While the 1911 is my preferred handgun, there must be at least two dozen companies making 1911's or 1911-ish pistols, and they all have multiple models in their line-ups.

    I'm fine with all that.

    If Beretta wants to introduce a model of the 92 that somebody wants to buy, that's cool. Those that like the Beretta 92 (and some that don't) will know Beretta spent probably the first 20 years of production of the gun, with no options or changes. Folks spent years/decades asking Beretta to introduce a decocker only 92, a 92 with dovetailed front sights, a grip smaller than a beer can, a rail on the frame for lights/lasers, an optic cut. Beretta finally gets around to providing those things that people want. It should be applauded not ridiculed.
     
    sabbfan likes this.
  21. Ignition Override

    Ignition Override Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2007
    Messages:
    7,749
    Location:
    The Mid-South.
    If they had designed a blued, true compact, the length of my Sig P225 or Walther P99 AS, would have been an owner Since several years ago. Ja!

    The shorter Beretta 9mms didn’t Seem to be the same length—
     
  22. UncleEd

    UncleEd Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2015
    Messages:
    525
    Location:
    N. Georgia
    One either appreciates the 90 series of
    Berettas and understands and knows
    how to make such fine guns perform.

    Or one falls into that other group which
    shall remain indescribably incapable of
    mastering the best.

    Please continue. :neener:

    OK, maybe I see this thread as just an
    opportunity to have some fun. Gun
    people are so serious.
     
  23. js8588

    js8588 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2013
    Messages:
    1,169
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    I'm still waiting on Vertec frame/Brigadier slide with the FS configuration (decocker/safety), factory night sights, & this new trigger

    Until then, my Inox Brigadier will suit me fine.
     
  24. CNobbe

    CNobbe Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2013
    Messages:
    1,109
    Same could be said of 1911 fanboys.
     
    Shipwreck likes this.
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice