Good News from the Gun Owners of America (GOA)

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  1. wuchak

    wuchak Member

    Feb 18, 2005
    Shawnee, KS
    I just received the following email from the GOA. It's good news for gun owners and I thought everyone could use some after the last week.

    Vitter Amendment Becomes Law, McCarthy Gun Grab Is Dead
    -- Thanks for all your hard work!

    Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
    8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
    Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408

    "Oh s---! We got a lot of postcards and e-mails from GOA members."
    -- As stated by a Congressional office to GOA

    Thursday, October 5, 2006

    Thanks to your hard work, gun rights have taken two steps forward in
    recent days.

    The quote above shows the reaction from one Congressional office in
    response to the number of postcards and e-mails that GOA members sent
    in response to the McCarthy gun grab (HR 1415).

    GOA members let their Representatives know they didn't want an
    expansion of the Brady Law, and the activism paid off handsomely.
    The bill is dead for now.

    But first, there is the Vitter-Jindal Emergency Protection
    legislation that we asked you to support in July.


    You will remember that in the wake of Hurricane Katrina last year,
    federal and local police stole firearms from New Orleans residents in
    the name of "keeping the people safe." To combat this, GOA has
    worked this year in several states (including Louisiana) to
    specifically outlaw this type of activity.

    GOA also worked for the enactment of this legislation at the federal
    level, and in July, the Emergency Protection language overwhelmingly
    passed both houses of Congress.

    After the Senate vote, one office told GOA: "They [the Senators]
    obviously got your message loud and clear. It was the most lopsided
    gun vote I have ever seen."

    The vote was lopsided... and it was significant as well. The
    Emergency Protection language makes it illegal for federal agents to
    confiscate firearms during an emergency or major disaster.

    Senator David Vitter (R-LA) thanked GOA for its efforts in pushing
    his amendment. The GOA effort "was a huge help, and it was very
    effective," Vitter said. "I look forward to working on many other
    issues with GOA."

    The Vitter-Jindal amendment is now on the President's desk -- as part
    of the Homeland Security appropriations bill -- where it awaits his
    almost certain signature.


    Then there was the defeat of the McCarthy gun grab. This was an
    uphill task, as early on, the bill was expected to easily pass the
    House of Representatives.

    But GOA members and activists overwhelmingly responded to our
    internet and postal alerts over the August recess, resulting in
    untold thousands of postcards and e-mails being dumped on
    legislators' desks.

    The resulting tidal wave of grassroots opposition has buried this
    bill as legislative offices on Capitol Hill have told GOA, "We've
    heard your postcards and e-mails loud and clear!"

    It's a good thing those postcards and e-mails were sent by you, too,
    because GOA was the only Second Amendment group in Washington
    opposing McCarthy's attack.

    The House Judiciary Committee was scheduled to vote on HR 1415
    earlier last month. At that time, the committee reported two
    firearms-related bills to the floor of the House -- but they
    specifically passed over the McCarthy bill (even though it was
    scheduled to come up for a vote).

    Gun Owners of America opposed the McCarthy bill, as it would spend
    nearly $1 billion dollars to further prop up the unconstitutional
    Brady Law. Of the 35 cosponsors, 34 are rated "F" on GOA's
    scorecard... the remaining one is rated "D."

    What has been surprising is how close this bill has come to being
    passed under congressional leadership that claims to be pro-gun. It
    already passed the House once, in October of 2002, but was killed in
    the senate when GOA teamed up with former Sen. Bob Smith (R-NH) to
    block the bill.

    Thanks again for all your hard work. You have reminded the
    Congressional leadership that they should leave the McCarthy gun ban
    alone and that it's "good politics" to pass pro-gun amendments like
    the Vitter-Jindal bill.

    Thank you!



    GOA spokesmen have already started addressing the recent school
    shootings in the media. GOA also encourages its members to write
    letters to the editor making the following points:

    1. No amount of gun control would have stopped Charles Carl Roberts
    from acquiring guns to commit his atrocity. Roberts had a clean
    record and would have passed any and every background check.

    2. So-called "gun free zones" (such as school zones) never stop bad
    guys from taking guns into a restricted area. In fact, statistics
    show that the jurisdictions that ban guns tend to be the same areas
    with the highest murder or crime rates (Washington, D.C., England,

    3. The only school shootings that have been stopped prematurely were
    ended because law-abiding citizens had guns -- such as in Pearl
    Mississippi (1997) and at the Appalachian School of Law (2002), where
    faculty and students were able to bring their own defensive firearms
    to bear. For this reason, 85% of the American public find it
    appropriate for a principal or teacher to use "a gun at school to
    defend the lives of students" to stop a school massacre (Research
    2000 Poll).


    If You're Not Yet A GOA Member, Is It Time You Became One?

    The ability of GOA to continue putting pressure on politicians
    depends on loyal activists like yourself. We want to keep sending you
    these e-mails for free, but it does cost us to continue providing

    Are you unsure if you're a member? If you're not getting our
    newsletter, The Gun Owners, then that's a good sign that you're not a

    Consider the benefits that paid-up GOA members get:

    * A no-compromise voice in Washington, D.C.

    * A Congressional rating -- mailed before the election -- listing the
    grade of every major candidate for the U.S. Senate and House of

    * Pre-written letters and postcards to help you lobby your

    * Experienced spokesmen to defend your rights in the media

    * In-depth research and analysis

    * Valuable discounts which are only presented to GOA members

    So, please become a GOA member today! Join GOA today online at
    http://www.gunowners.org/ordergoamem.htm or call 703-321-8585.

    U.S. Representative Ron Paul of Texas says, "Your membership in Gun
    Owners makes a difference on Capitol Hill every single day.... I know
    that GOA will continue to be the 'no compromise' leader in defending
    America's gun rights and personal freedoms."

    When you join forces with GOA, you will become part of the toughest,
    no-compromise group in the nation's capital. Just ask Rep. John
    Hostettler, Republican Congressman from Indiana:

    "Gun Owners of America is the pit bull of the Second Amendment. They
    are relentless and never give any ground whatsoever to the gun

  2. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Dec 24, 2002
    Idahohoho, the jolliest state
    The GOA is what the NRA ought to be.
  3. AJ Dual

    AJ Dual member

    Feb 20, 2003
    They both move the ball forward in their own way. And it's not as if the NRA didn't do their own lobbying on the bills too. Not that I blame them, but that GOA press release makes it look like the NRA sat back and did nothing.

    One way to look at it is like the troubles in Ireland.

    From the Irish/Catholic side, it was a two-pronged approach. The IRA was the hot-head militant wing, while Sinn Fein was the "legitamate" political wing that talked at the table.

    Despite the acrimony between them, the GOA and the NRA function in much the same way. In a football analogy, the GOA demands Hail-Mary 90 yd. touchdown passes and fails a lot, and the NRA goes for first downs and has more success. Either way, the RKBA ball moves forward, which is what's important.
  4. countertop

    countertop Member

    May 20, 2004
    At the diner
    The GOA is useless and carries less than zero weight here in DC

    They are simply not a player and have no influence at all on the legislative front. If they disappeared tomorrow - no one on Capitol Hill would notice.
  5. razorburn

    razorburn member

    May 16, 2006
    You can have a group that is absolutely hard core RKBA, no compromise no nothing whatsoever. But it will be completely worthless and good for nothing if it doesn't have the membership. The NRA is the largest and most powerful RKBA group lobbying for us.
  6. RNB65

    RNB65 Member

    Apr 19, 2006
    Richmond, VA
    I know nothing about the GOA and have no idea if it is effective or not. But my fear is that as anti-gun efforts are becoming increasingly sharply focused behind the Brady Campaign, pro-gun supporters are allowing petty grievences to divide their efforts among various groups. I think the military term for this is "divide and conquer."
  7. Euclidean

    Euclidean Member

    May 24, 2005
    I used to think like that. Some of my old posts reflect me thinking like that. I no longer think like that.

    If you ever compromise one little part, one little tiny bit of the 2A, you don't believe in it at all. If that statement gives you cognitive dissonance, don't be offended, that's just your brain telling you that you need to amend your position.

    There is no room for compromise. None. Not one part, not now, not ever.

    That's not to say we shouldn't push small reforms bit by bit as a political strategy, but we must never be content until all gun control laws are completely abolished.

    "Shall not be infringed" sums it all up nicely.

    I've no doubt the GOA goes unheard, because they speak the truth, and those who support what is right are never thanked or recognized as such.
  8. Monkeyleg

    Monkeyleg Member.

    Dec 25, 2002
    Decatur, AL
    Go ahead and send money to GOA if it makes you feel good. It will certainly continue to elevate Larry Pratt's standard of living.

    Just don't expect him to be in the offices of congressmen, or even in the offices of state legislators when you need a bill passed or killed.

    I've been in our state's Capitol more times than I can count over the past decade or so, and I never saw a representative from GOA.
  9. FTF

    FTF member

    Jun 21, 2006
    Every time I get close to joining the GOA I see the statement that makes me think they are like evangelists.

    The NRA is pissing me off. Now is the time to move on the GCA and the Lautenberg amendment. How did either of those pass, I don't know. The NRA does have clout though... nobody can argue that.

    I'm not a rich man lol.
  10. razorburn

    razorburn member

    May 16, 2006
    I'm not offended. I wish there was a no compromise lobby that had the power, I'd support it for sure. I want to keep "assault" rifles as much as hunting rifles, and I hate it when some groups within our ranks think the 2nd amendment is about hunting. I hate a lot of the regs we got right now, actually. But I don't believe we have a choice. Going with the NRA may mean little or no progress. Going no compromise, hard core RKBA group doesn't mean we'll better preserve our freedoms. The opposite effect will happen. Being unheard with a small and weak group, although one that more closely adheres to my beliefs, means we lose everything. I think going that route, abandoning the NRA for a hard core no compromise position, means we'll lose everything. We'll not only fail to regain full autos and such as we might with the NRA, but we'll also lose our revolvers, bolt action hunting rifles, fancy over under shotguns, target .22's, everything. So it is the lesser of two evils to me, to tolerate some of the NRA's shortcomings and continue to throw my support behind them. Because if you're not heard in our national politics, you're trampled on.
  11. carpediem

    carpediem Member

    Mar 6, 2006
    Pacific Plate
    IMHO, what the NRA needs most is more members. Members = Numbers. Numbers = Political Clout. Yes, I'm somewhat oversimplifying, but if even 10% of gun owners joined the NRA.... Look at the AARP.
  12. Ben Shepherd

    Ben Shepherd Member

    Feb 27, 2004
    As a life member of GOA, NRA, and CCRKBA I regularly contribute to all three. As well as JPFO and SAF.

    Countertop, you obviously live closer to the "front lines" than I do.

    All those little post cards that GOA has us send in? I've never failed to get a reponse from my congressmen. Form letter reponse, yes. But a reponse stating they recieved my postcard(which I always add a personal p.s. to).

    So, I can't belive they carry no weight. Not as much as the NRA, but they have to be having some affect.

    Rant mode:

    Those with nothing positive to add, who do nothing but bash the NRA, GOA, SAF etc., as ineffective or useless, I ask this question:

    Just WHAT exactly do you propose we do differently? If you have no viable alternative, then STHU!!
    I mean, just who or what else are we supposed to support? Do YOU have the means to be a full time on site lobbyist in D.C.? Can you hire legal watchdogs to go over proposed bills line by line? Do you have the time and intelligence to go head to head with highly motivated and educated anti-gunners on TV or radio programs? No? THEN WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU PROPOSE?!
    Rant mode off
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2006
  13. oldfart

    oldfart Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    Portland, Oregon
    "And it's not as if the NRA didn't do their own lobbying on the bills too."

    Yeah, the NRA did lobby on both those bills, 'cept on the McCarthy bill they lobbied in favor of it. I called them about it and the guy I talked to kept telling me what a great bill it was and they had to support it so they could get some traction later on, on some other bill.
    There isn't anything wrong with being a member of both NRA and GOA. While the NRA is the biggest, baddest Gorilla in the woods, the GOA doesn't give up until it's been beaten, unlike the big gorilla which compromises (read, 'gives up') before it ever fires a shot.

    Isn't "LaPierre" a French name?
  14. johnsonrlp

    johnsonrlp Member

    Jul 4, 2006
    Ft Hood area, originaly CA
    :banghead: :cuss: :banghead: :cuss: :mad: :fire:
  15. MechAg94

    MechAg94 Member

    Apr 17, 2005
    What exactly was this McCarthy bill supposed to have done? I hadn't heard of it. I guess I wasn't keeping up.
  16. xd9fan

    xd9fan Member

    Sep 8, 2005
    Under tyranny in Midwest
    If the NRA is the 400lb Gorilla...the GOA is the 80lb hyperactive Chimp!!
    We need both.
  17. Monkeyleg

    Monkeyleg Member.

    Dec 25, 2002
    Decatur, AL
    Ben Sherpherd: "All those little post cards that GOA has us send in?"

    Do you know where those pre-written postcards (NRA, GOA, or other groups) go to? The wastebasket.

    They're worthless. The legislative staffers know that all the person who mailed them did was put them in the mailbox.

    I KNOW I'm going to get flamed for saying the following, but I'll say it anyway.

    Larry Pratt and the couple of people on the GOA staff have a nice, tidy money machine going. Pretty much similar to the scam that ED of Wisconsin Gun Owners has going.

    I'll retract every statement I've made above if you can prove to me that Larry Pratt is in the offices of congressmen, and really working to change the laws.

    I know with 90% certainty what the scam that ED is running here in WI is, and it looks, walks and smells pretty much like what GOA does.

    There's a tidy sum of money to be made, especially if you put yourself in the position where you don't have to work for it.
  18. Ben Shepherd

    Ben Shepherd Member

    Feb 27, 2004
    Ok, even if they do, (which wouldn't suprise me) I just hope that there is enough volume that the congressmen get the general idea.

    In the case of the McCarthy bill? SOMETHING had to have done the trick, especially if the NRA was going FOR it? So if it wasn't GOA, then what group killed it? I'll send them my money.

    I'm not trying to argue here, just get some things figured out.
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