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Good "starter" 1911?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by TFin04, Nov 3, 2006.

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  1. TFin04

    TFin04 Member

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    While I don't find them to be the best platform for me as a carry piece, I have always, always loved the 1911 pistols.

    I remember being about 12 years old with my plastic pistols I used to play with. I wouldn't accept one that wasn't a 1911 style gun. While I didn't know they even were 1911's then, I sure loved them!

    I'm looking for a nice 1911 to make my range gun, but my fund situation can't quite afford a Kimber just yet. On the same note, I don't want a piece of junk either.

    What would be a good option in 1911 for say...500-600 bucks? Buying used is fine.

    Pictures always welcome, of course. :D
     
  2. kansas45

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    If you can find one, the Taurus PT1911 is a great firearm. Look around for a used Springfield Armory Mil-Spec or something on that order. Actually a new Mil-spec isn't too much over $600.
     
  3. TFin04

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    Also, with this being strictly a range gun I would prefer 9mm for cost and comfort of shooting all day long.

    Thanks, I'm looking into both of those now.
     
  4. MatthewVanitas

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    9mm + 1911ish + cheap = Star B or Star BM

    Here's a writeup: http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg79-e.htm

    Here in TX, I see them under $200, and I've personally bought them as low as $119 w/ shipping, but that was about four years ago.

    Run a THR Search on these for more info, they're pretty cool little things. Spare parts are a bit difficult though, as the main part supplier is MarStar in Canada.

    Overall though, it seems exactly what you're looking for. -MV
     
  5. TFin04

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    They seem almost too cheap.

    How has yours been for you? Reliable?
     
  6. spooney

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    I had a good friend who is also a member here who had a Star BM. It was a great shooter. Very reliable with any kind of ammo you could run through it.
     
  7. Shipwreck

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    Springfield Milspec. At gun shows, U can get a stainless one for under $600. Parkerized one even less.
     
  8. marklbucla

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    You ought to be able to get yourself some kind of used Kimber in your price range. I remember that Kimber Custom IIs would go for $659 on sale.

    For a 9mm 1911 since you mentioned it, I'd recommend a Springfield. I have a custom Loaded and like it alot. A new one could be had for around $700 or less. A used one should be around $600. It did have to go back to Springfield to correct problems right out of the box. I also picked up a used Mil-Spec model just a little while ago, though they're really hard to find. Great guns.

    Going with a 9mm would be a good idea to save on money. I had a couple of .45s, but I decided to just sell them since the ammo's almost twice as expensive. I would also strongly suggest that you get yourself a Marvel conversion unit also to cut costs even further and let you shoot .22LR. They run about $300 or so, but they're worth the cost in the long run (or short run depending on how much you'll be shooting).
     
  9. MatthewVanitas

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    Just the same as the gorgeous Swiss K31 rifles were going for $79 back last year, and Moisin Nagant USSR rifles are still under $100. When an importer gets truckloads of surplus in stock at pennies on the dollar, they're happy to unload them by the sackfull for a reasonable price.

    That's literally what happened with myself and some buddies: we all ordered Star Bs (@ $119 each) in the same order to save shipping. When we walked into the FFL dealer, he said "Oh, it's you guys" and hauls out a grocery sack full of Stars.


    Had no problems with them. Ours were rather beat surplus, but ran well. One guy got one with a worn extractor, so the importer sent him a free extractor to replace it.

    I bought a Star BM recently ($185 in original Guardia Civil box), and it seems in much better shape than the Bs we bought.

    You can't go too wrong: they're 1/2 to 1/3 the price of the other .45s you're considering, and the ammo costs half as much. Looking at GunBroker and AuctionArms, some have sold (actually sold, Reserve Met or No Reserve) for $135-175 in the last couple months.

    These guys make nice grips for cheap: http://www.gungripguys.com/Star/Index.htm

    -MV
     
  10. SpookyPistolero

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    I would advise against the Star BM. I had one growing up. I twice experienced what I thought were negligent discharges. I very much so believed my finger was nowhere near the trigger, but the weapon discharged when the slide was being dropped. Later I found it was the worn sear on the weapon that caused the problem. I've heard of others with similar problems.

    I'd suggest the Springfield GI or more Mil-spec, if you can swing it.
     
  11. BigO01

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    For $500-600 I would do exactly what I DID do buy a new Charles Daly EFS
    They come with a lifetime warranty for the original purchaser and are made by Armscor if you found a problem and Daly didn't fix it to your satisfaction I have no doubt that Armscor will because the VP in charge of sales in the U.S. and the President of Armscor have said so on another gun forum .

    They are very much a customer service orientated company .Go here and read some of the posts by Ivan and thepresAPI/RIA .
    http://forum.m1911.org/forumdisplay.php?f=17

    I own two Dalys one is a EFS full size and a mid sized EMS

    [​IMG]

    You can get a new EFS on www.gunbroker.com for a tad under $400 at ,
    http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=59460922

    There is also one with fully adjustable sight for $100 more
    http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=59753055 .

    I would buy one of these and replace the factory recoil spring with a new one made by Wolf of 16 lbs because the factory ones seem a little light , take it out and put a couple of hundred rounds of ball through it and then clean it up and lube it and try some hollow points .

    Mine often do "Nightstand" duty and if they weren't reliable they would stay in the safe .
     
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    I just saw a para ordnance for 599 on gunbroker.com. It is by seller redstradingpost.
     
  13. XavierBreath

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    The Star Model B and BM are adequate Mil-Surp pistols, and they are 9mm. They resemble 1911s but they are not 1911s. No parts interchange. I own one of each, and shoot them both. They are durable Mil-Surps. If you want a 1911 though, strike the Star off your list.

    Springfield, unfortunately, does not make the Mil-Spec or GI45 in 9mm. They do make the Loaded in 9mm. You might find one on the used market for $500-650. I paid $650 for my used 9mm Colt Commander.

    Having a 1911 in 9mm is nice.
     
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    welcome to THR, i too have always wanted a 1911.
    i have to agree with kansas45, i think the taurus pt1911 would be a great 1911 not only as a starter but as a great 1911 in general, and they do come in 9mm, and they aren't that much in the funds department. they make them with light rails and without, as well as in the full size and commander size, in blued or ss, so there are a wealth of options to choose from. i am thinking hard about one in .40 full size and ss, well that is the way i am leaning today, i want one i know that and in .40s&w but the size and finish changes day to day, i think i will pick one up when i sell my glock 19.

    forgot to mention that the taurus pt1911 comes with henine sights as well another plus over some of the other makers especially in the price range.
     
  15. marklbucla

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    Where did you see that The Taurus came in anything but .45? I only saw that caliber listed on their site?

    I hope you're right, but my bank accounts surely don't!
     
  16. symr00

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    If you want a 1911, get a REAL one chambered in .45ACP. They're not that expensive to shoot. They are very easy to reload with a cheap Lee reloader should you go that route. You can find Norinco 1911's for about $400-$500 used or I would suggest the Springfield milspec which is about $500-$600. if you go the 9mm route, you need to buy special magazines and 9mm 1911's usually cost more for a reliable one.
     
  17. Il Duca

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    Don't overlook the High Standard GI 1911 either. Probably one of the most reasonably priced quality 1911s out there.
     
  18. Zach S

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    Shop around, a used Kimber should be in your price range, three of mine were.
     
  19. brownie0486

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    The one Taurus 1911 we sold at the shop, came back the next day as non functional and was sent back to Taurus to fix it.

    I'd suggest holding off on the Taurus 1911 until they have get some sort of track record of reliability going. I learned long ago, not to buy a new model/design anything for a few years until any bugs were worked out of the design.

    Brownie
     
  20. Black Majik

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    Since you're willing to go used, there are a few options you can look into.

    Firstly, you'll have to decide whether you want a plain jane 1911 or a gun with some bells and whistles.

    Plain jane:
    For brand new, you can get a plain jane Springfield Armory Milspec. Good quality parts, and a gun that is great for just fun at the range.

    For used, you can try and see if you can pick up an old Colt Government. If you find a good deal, you might even be able to find a NRM Government.


    Bells and whistles:
    Both would have to be bought used, but you can get a Springfield Armory Loaded or Kimber Custom II if you do some looking. They both have the usual upgrades, fixed sights, beavertail, front cocking serrations and extended thumb safety. These would be very nice range guns too.

    Anyways, look to find what features you want on your range gun and go from there. The four pistols I listed all have great potential as a range gun.
     
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    I didn't much understand the idea of a "starter" gun until I got involved w/ the 1911. There are just so many variations you can go through and there are so many shooters out there w/ so many diff't likes & dislikes that you can make your 1911 just the way you want it to do whatever you may need it to do. So, I usually recommend get something basic like a SA Mil Surp gun, shoot it & start modifying as necessary ;)
    Enjoy your quest
     
  23. BigO01

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    Il Duca and everyone else , just so you know the basic High Standard 1911 is being produced by Armscor , the same folks who make the RIA's , Charles Daly's and yes of course those marked Armscor .

    The High Standard Commander legth weapons though are suppose to be made in Texas , at least this is what I was told when I called High Standard this past spring .
     
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    I was looking for a starter 1911 also until today. I found a almost unused Norinco for $350 out the door. They are suppose to be good guns to build on.

    They also had a new Taurus 1911 for $500 that I was looking at but I was thinking like Brownie0486 and passed because they have no track record yet.
     
  25. Ala Dan

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    Another vote for Springfield Armory's .45 cal 1911 MIL SPEC~!:cool:
     
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