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With a certain new law in place, posting something on the internet that might offend someone is a crime. Since what might not annoy one person might annoy another person, I've decided not to post anything on the internet until either the law is repealed, or I'm 75. Then I'll be too old to care. Take care of yourselves. Thanks for all the help, the laughs, the advice & fun. In the words of the late & great Edward R. Murrow, "Good night & Good Luck. :( :(
 
Surely you jest....giving up now to such stupidity will turn you into a sheeple.

mole
 
I can't imagine that Tshirthell or somethingawful or rotten will survive this new brand if abject retardery for very long. -.-

~GnSx

"This brand of abject retardery" refers to that new law, not this thread.
 
I guess I haven't been watching the news closely enough because I don't know what law this is in reference to.

Can somebody give me a heads up.....do I need to don the tin foil helmut and throw on a flak vest?
 
Raph84 said:
I guess I haven't been watching the news closely enough because I don't know what law this is in reference to.

Can somebody give me a heads up.....do I need to don the tin foil helmut and throw on a flak vest?
You're too late!:banghead: You should have had your tin foil helmet on already! Now we can't trust you anymore.:uhoh:
 
Hell, I offend people in real life and survive it, so I'll be fornicated if I worry 'bout the net. It's just another law and one of many. They got us by the short and curlies anyway, so we might as well fart in their general direction.:evil:
Biker
 
Most people are reading WAY too much into this law.
It has always been against the law to harass another person.
All this law says is you can't get around that by being anonymous on the Internet.

It is specifically aimed at those who INTENTIONALLY harass someone else, it has nothing to do with airing valid opinions that HAPPEN to annoy someone.

I can still say .45 is better than 9mm, even though that annoys 1/2 of the people on this board.

The law recognizes that they are here by choice, and must expect to be exposed to opinions they will not like. They have no legal recourse, just because they do not know who I am. That is totally immaterial.
 
There is a difference between the letter of the law & the spirit of the law. I forgot to state above that I will respond to PM's.
 
V4Vendetta said:
With a certain new law in place, posting something on the internet that might offend someone is a crime. Since what might not annoy one person might annoy another person, I've decided not to post anything on the internet until either the law is repealed, or I'm 75. Then I'll be too old to care. Take care of yourselves. Thanks for all the help, the laughs, the advice & fun. In the words of the late & great Edward R. Murrow, "Good night & Good Luck. :( :(

Hey, I'm 53 and already don't care!

As the Russians (supposedly) say: "Don't let the ba$****$ get you down!"
 
V4Vendetta said:
With a certain new law in place, posting something on the internet that might offend someone is a crime. Since what might not annoy one person might annoy another person, I've decided not to post anything on the internet until either the law is repealed, or I'm 75. Then I'll be too old to care. Take care of yourselves. Thanks for all the help, the laughs, the advice & fun. In the words of the late & great Edward R. Murrow, "Good night & Good Luck. :( :(

I surely hope you are joking!
 
thats crazy , so everytime I get offended on the Net by something somebody wrote, Im gonna call the internet police.
Dont give in to such :cuss:
 
Annoying someone via the Internet is now a federal crime.

It's no joke. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a prohibition on posting annoying Web messages or sending annoying e-mail messages without disclosing your true identity.

In other words, it's OK to flame someone on a mailing list or in a blog as long as you do it under your real name. Thank Congress for small favors, I guess.

This ridiculous prohibition, which would likely imperil much of Usenet, is buried in the so-called Violence Against Women and Department of Justice Reauthorization Act. Criminal penalties include stiff fines and two years in prison.

"The use of the word 'annoy' is particularly problematic," says Marv Johnson, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union. "What's annoying to one person may not be annoying to someone else."


Buried deep in the new law is Sec. 113, an innocuously titled bit called "Preventing Cyberstalking." It rewrites existing telephone harassment law to prohibit anyone from using the Internet "without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy."
To grease the rails for this idea, Sen. Arlen Specter, a Pennsylvania Republican, and the section's other sponsors slipped it into an unrelated, must-pass bill to fund the Department of Justice. The plan: to make it politically infeasible for politicians to oppose the measure.

The tactic worked. The bill cleared the House of Representatives by voice vote, and the Senate unanimously approved it Dec. 16.

There's an interesting side note. An earlier version that the House approved in September had radically different wording. It was reasonable by comparison, and criminalized only using an "interactive computer service" to cause someone "substantial emotional harm."

That kind of prohibition might make sense. But why should merely annoying someone be illegal?

There are perfectly legitimate reasons to set up a Web site or write something incendiary without telling everyone exactly who you are.

Think about it: A woman fired by a manager who demanded sexual favors wants to blog about it without divulging her full name. An aspiring pundit hopes to set up the next Suck.com. A frustrated citizen wants to send e-mail describing corruption in local government without worrying about reprisals.

In each of those three cases, someone's probably going to be annoyed. That's enough to make the action a crime. (The Justice Department won't file charges in every case, of course, but trusting prosecutorial discretion is hardly reassuring.)

Clinton Fein, a San Francisco resident who runs the Annoy.com site, says a feature permitting visitors to send obnoxious and profane postcards through e-mail could be imperiled.

"Who decides what's annoying? That's the ultimate question," Fein said. He added: "If you send an annoying message via the United States Post Office, do you have to reveal your identity?"

Fein once sued to overturn part of the Communications Decency Act that outlawed transmitting indecent material "with intent to annoy." But the courts ruled the law applied only to obscene material, so Annoy.com didn't have to worry.

"I'm certainly not going to close the site down," Fein said on Friday. "I would fight it on First Amendment grounds."

He's right. Our esteemed politicians can't seem to grasp this simple point, but the First Amendment protects our right to write something that annoys someone else.

It even shields our right to do it anonymously. U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas defended this principle magnificently in a 1995 case involving an Ohio woman who was punished for distributing anonymous political pamphlets.

If President Bush truly believed in the principle of limited government (it is in his official bio), he'd realize that the law he signed cannot be squared with the Constitution he swore to uphold.

And then he'd repeat what President Clinton did a decade ago when he felt compelled to sign a massive telecommunications law. Clinton realized that the section of the law punishing abortion-related material on the Internet was unconstitutional, and he directed the Justice Department not to enforce it.

Bush has the chance to show his respect for what he calls Americans' personal freedoms. Now we'll see if the president rises to the occasion.

Can someone please help this article make sense? Who's in support of this new law? Arlen Sphincter?, American Communist Liar's Union?, Who??

If this is indeed a law, does this mean anyone who sends me spam mail is now a criminal?

And forget about Bush ever rising up to any occasion. The rock he's under is just too heavy.
 
V4Vendetta said:
With a certain new law in place, posting something on the internet that might offend someone is a crime. Since what might not annoy one person might annoy another person, I've decided not to post anything on the internet until either the law is repealed, or I'm 75. Then I'll be too old to care. Take care of yourselves. Thanks for all the help, the laughs, the advice & fun. In the words of the late & great Edward R. Murrow, "Good night & Good Luck. :( :(

I don't believe in luck. That offends me.

:neener:
 
I'm not sure if the amount of posts that say "I hope you are joking" are referring to my decision not to post anything or because you don't want anyone to give in or because you don't think that there is a actual law about annoying someone. I don't want to give in. I won't give up. They haven't broken my spirit. Within each one of us there is a inch of integrity, of hope, of will. We must NEVER lose that inch. Within it, we are free.

"Hey, I'm 53 and already don't care!"

I've still got 35 years left till then.
 
Could someone post the friggin' law? What laws say and what people say of laws is usually two rather different things.
 
ctdonath said:
Could someone post the friggin' law? What laws say and what people say of laws is usually two rather different things.


"Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to originate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the Internet... without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person...who receives the communications...shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."
 
One has to do what they have to do.

I find it interesting how "the more things change - the more they remain the same", how history has the ability to repeat itself.

In reading the above article - please note :
Buried deep in the new law is Sec. 113, an innocuously titled bit called "Preventing Cyberstalking." It rewrites existing telephone harassment law to prohibit anyone from using the Internet "without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy."

Society just keeps "allowing" themselves to give away Liberties to gain Freedom.
I wonder if TPTB just did not assist in driving folks nuts with telephone harrassment to get legislation passed so easy to open the door to such laws as this Internet Harrassment law.

What next? Books? I recall in various histories books were burned, media censored, travel limited, ID papers required for most anything.

I have a number of favorite books I read again from time to time. These are special to me for various reasons. I'll just name four.

Civil Disobedience-Thoreau
1984 and Animal Farm-Orwell
Atlas Shrugged-Ayn Rand

Perhaps if a person were to send a copy of favorite works to TPTB this flooding of mail might send a message. Then again they would not understand these works anymore than the COTUS and BoR.

Well there could be worse ways to be become a felon I suppose.


Post 'em if ya got 'em


Forefathers did. Many since have continued to fight Tyranny all these decades.
All over the world folks have fought to keep Freedoms and fight Tyranny, I respect this, I respect the fallen in the process of fighting.

People are still fighting in various ways.

Two pieces of works penned by our very own come to mind:

"Metal and Wood"
by Dennis Bateman

http://www.thefiringline.com/Misc/library/Metal_and_Wood.html

and

A Declaration of Civil Disobedience
by Marko Kloos

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34976&highlight=Civil+Disobedience

Substitute "Internet" if you wish.

There is more to Responsible Firearm Ownership than Firearms

Regards,

Steve.
 
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