Got Carded Today

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I'll never forget one time an idiot carded my dad (he was 65 at the time).

My dad asked why he was being carded, and the idiot gave the usual line about having to be 21 to buy beer, my dad simply replied with.

"Do I <Insert Random Obcenity> Look like i'm that Young you <Insert Random Obcenity> Moron!!!"

Wish I had a camera then, The look on the guy's face was Priceless...:D
 
Need a tissue?

Most of you are being carded in accordance with the law, so why all the whining? An individual can be fined and even suffer criminal prosecution if he doesn't card someone and that person turns out to be underage. Most companies have their own set of standards on top of the law. Some require an employee to card with an age range based on appearance, while others take the "we card everybody" route. Why get pissy with a clerk just because he's trying to keep his job?

If you don't like getting carded, don't buy the item in question; or find a business with a more liberal carding policy.
 
ok, so last I checked you had to be 18 to buy pellet guns right???


Well ok I'm 19 at the time and look like an average college age kid(medium hair, semi nice clothes, etc)

week1:
So I go into KMart and buy some shotgun slugs. They ask for my ID as they are ringing me up, I pay, everything is cool

week 2: I happen to get my hair dyed with blue highlights(yeah it was a phase)


week 3: I go into the same KMart and ask to buy a pellet gun
them "We can't sell you pellet guns"
me "what???"
them "you heard me, I'm not going to sell it to you"
me "why not???"
them "you have to be 18"
me "I'm 19 smart guy"
them "hmmmmm"
them "let me see your ID"
me "here"
them "when were you born?"
me "can you not read because it says on my ID"
them "fine, just be careful"

this was one of the KMarts that got shut down...

I'm not surprised
 
My brother came back from Iraq for a month of leave before going back to Germany. We hit some of the local bars to celebrate, and I noticed something funny. We would both get carded, but he would show his military ID. They would actually read my D/L, but they wouldn't give his more than a passing glance. Pretty cool, IMHO.
 
Most of you are being carded in accordance with the law, so why all the whining? An individual can be fined and even suffer criminal prosecution if he doesn't card someone and that person turns out to be underage. Most companies have their own set of standards on top of the law. Some require an employee to card with an age range based on appearance, while others take the "we card everybody" route. Why get pissy with a clerk just because he's trying to keep his job?
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Perhaps it is because some of us remember when it was thought that when one objected to a store's policies, one was allowed to mention it to the store's employees - so that the employees, as representatives of that store, could communicate that information to their employer. I think maybe it was called communication, but as it's almost a lost art, I could be mistaken.

Perhaps because some of us think that treating employees as if they cannot distinguish 65 year olds from 18 year olds is degrading for the employee, as well as for the customer?

Perhaps because if a majority of people objected to such indignities on the spot, stores would have to revise their policies more in line with reality, because they would know that they annoyed customers?

Perhaps because one does not always have time to sit down and write letters to corporate offices, when one want to register one's displeasure?

Perhaps because the state of being an employee automatically makes one a representative of the company one works for, and at least responsible for transfering customer comments to management when they are communicated by customers?

And perhaps, because the average just-turned-18-min-wage employee would never think to question the "wisdom" of such policies, if they were never confronted with some real live indignation from real live people who object to being treated like cattle, (even when they realize that the 18yo clerk didn't invent the policy.)

But heavens no, we wouldn't want to think that anyone was ever responsible for having to think about the policies they impliment, so we should all be quiet.

Dex }:>=-
 
Once again I'm reminded that life is good in Bosque County.

The little high school girl behind the counter at the "Stop & Go" where I occasionally buy a can of snuff, calls me Mr. Parks, never asks for I.D.; but then I went to school with her daddy, worked for her Granddad some in highschool. Known the family, well....forever.

Beer store is 3 miles out of town on the Precinct line. Jim owns it. Has had it for years, even before I was "legal". Card me? Hell, he's on the Fair Board with me. Knows all the kids and their familys for miles. Under age kids have to go to the city to try to buy beer here. Jim has volunteered more hours to the Youth Fair and Little League than any other 10 people combined.

Guns? Ammo? Rusty is the manager at the only gun shop/hardware store in town, our kids go to school together. He and I coached T-ball together once. His employees are all locals, everyone knows each other.

Never bought guns or ammo at a Walmart. (30 miles away). Talked to them a few times, left unimpressed. Ammo is cheaper at Rustys store, or at least competitive. I do buy most of my Copenhagen at Sam's. (also 30 miles away) Last time I was there the computer informed the checker of the age requirement...she paused, smirked, and went on with it. Never even asked.

Bosque County Texas, where spray paint is still out on the shelves where anyone can get it, acetone is unsupervised, kids can't buy beer locally (and there is a back door for the Baptists:D ) porn is not available (except on the internet) tobacco? I suspect a lot of straw purchases are made.

Say, wasn't that Joe's kid I saw drive buy with a cigarette? Better call him when I get home....

Smoke
 
Being carded for certain things is just a CYA for the store selling it. The funny thing is that I hardly ever get carded for smokes or beer (I get carded for harder stuff though) I occasionally get carded for buying ammo, but it doesn't happen more often than it does. The funny thing is that I'm only 21. I just hit "legal" age last August and I hardly ever got carded before then, for things like long gun ammo or smokes. Hell, I rarely get carded going into bars or clubs. I guess the LVMPD has other things they consider more important.
 
I'm 28. Wal-mart carded me when I bought a knife-sharpening kit.



I was carded for buying a stone. :banghead:
 
Well, it hasn't happened to me in a while, but my wife was recently carded entering a local adult-beverage-dispensing establishment with two of our daughters (ages 32 and 25). Sure made her feel good!
 
I had the mother of all carding experiences just other day (no joke) I was at walmart picking up one of those value boxes of winchester 12ga just can't beat the price and some 40SW well I needed some spray paint for a project I was working on so i grabbed that, figured I'd grab some beer while I was there, just then my roomate calls and wants some cheap cigars so I grab those and bought a game for my PC. So I head up to the main counter with all my age restricted products :rolleyes: put all the stuff down ofcourse I get the usual "gunna have a fun night with all this stuff" comment and then, get this what do I get carded for "this is an aage restricted game title and I need to see ID for his spray paint, we've been having alot of trouble with taggers." :uhoh: I'm looking at the beer and the pistol ammo and wondering if this girl just fell out of a truck but was like, angh alright. Policy is funny, I'm bettin they had just had a meeting about the evils of spray paint and violent video games. ahhh good times :cool:
 
Dex Sinister
Perhaps it is because some of us remember when it was thought that when one objected to a store's policies, one was allowed to mention it to the store's employees - so that the employees, as representatives of that store, could communicate that information to their employer. I think maybe it was called communication, but as it's almost a lost art, I could be mistaken.
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Zedicus
"Do I <Insert Random Obcenity> Look like i'm that Young you <Insert Random Obcenity> Moron!!!"
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Comments like the one above will only get mentioned to the employer as how a customer was rude and belligerant. Besides, comments made to the business by customers are much less likely to fall on deaf ears.

Perhaps because the state of being an employee automatically makes one a representative of the company one works for, and at least responsible for transfering customer comments to management when they are communicated by customers?

And perhaps, because the average just-turned-18-min-wage employee would never think to question the "wisdom" of such policies, if they were never confronted with some real live indignation from real live people who object to being treated like cattle, (even when they realize that the 18yo clerk didn't invent the policy.)

But heavens no, we wouldn't want to think that anyone was ever responsible for having to think about the policies they impliment, so we should all be quiet.
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Well Dex, you might have a couple points there; but only if you apply them across the board. Let's take police for instance. Should we hold them responsible for the laws they have to enforce? Would you bitch out a cop who pulled you over doing 60 in a 25? Should troops be responsible for the wars they fight? If your answers are all yes then at least you're consistent; if not, then why the uneven standards?

Furthermore, some people just don't look their age. I'm 22 and I've been mistaken for as young as 15 and as old as 28. That's a pretty big range and some people just don't want to guess when a wrong one could mean a criminal conviction plus the loss of a job. And it's not just stereotypical teens working as clerks that do this. As an example, if your mother carded me and I told her "I'm over 18 you stupid c*nt" you'd probably consider that rather insulting.

So look at the big picture, these are just people doing their jobs. If you think it's wrong to card people, then lobby to have age restrictions appealed because that's the only way tp avoid it.
 
I've worked with the public all my life. I had to observe some legal matters and paperdrill to appease the gummit. So when the customer has $50k cash for a purchase...in a briefcase...it may take 6 or 7 months ...L/A [ I laid the monies aside and he went away with the mdse] .

Known this fella forever, he hated owing anybody anything. He hated writing checks. He used cash. Hard earned cash he had already been taxed on.

Then we have the legalese on everything. In my day I could run to the store to get medicine for a sick sib while mom kept the kid home. No need dragging the kid that is sick , throwing up and all out. I'd jump on a bike, get the meds, and done.

Today, have a 17 yr in need to get something for a sick grandparent, parent, sibling...they cannot do it.

One of my classmates went through this. Single mom with a 15 old kid. Technically did not have his learner' s permit. [ b/t passing the test and actually getting it] . Neighbors are gone to work, can't get ahold of anyone, and the 911 don't work. Kid drives mom to emergency room. I get word at College from the kid. Emergency appendectomy.

I knew the security at the hosptial and explained the deal when he asked about the kid pulling up in the emergency zone. Skirting the edge of legal - perhaps. I doubt seriously if the LEO on this board would bust a kid and the mom for this.

Bottom line: We have too much meddlin in folks lives . Be it gummit, legalese, corporate.

There is a place to be smart and use common sense. In my former life I dealt with a lot of stuff including security and safety of myself and employess.

Sending a 17 yr to the pharmacy to get narcotics for grandma - dying of cancer - and needs her meds, differs from the RN whom steals the Doctors script pad and forges his signature to obtain dope for personal use and to sell.

No problem with a phone call to the Dr ,or grandma. to verify - Just common sense.
 
Another good story from the home front....

Nephew was in town the other day, big strapping 19 year old. He walks in to the local hardware/gun shop and asks for some .45 Colt ammo. Clerk asks for his ID, says "You must be 21 to buy pistol ammo" . My nephew replied "it's for my Marlin rifle." Manager hears the conversation and tells the clerk its Ok.

No ID. No hassle.

Smoke
 
I was carded for bottled, liquid bread a couple of weeks ago at the ubergrocery near the Fashionable Bachelor Pad. I'm 34 and have a heavy 5 o'clock shadow (how can I have this much hair on the lower portion of my head--maybe move some back up top!).:uhoh: :scrutiny:

I refused to do so (line was long with soccermommies and unruly Jareds and Seths) and requested to see a manager at once. "Store policy" was quickly suspended.:D
 
A few years ago I was in the local E-Z Mart (yeah, it's a BFEast Texas chain) when this kid runs in, fishes a dollar out of his pocket and asks the clerk for a scratch-off lotto ticket. He's something like 12 at the time, looks 12, acts 12. Clerk tears off ticket, gives to kid without batting an eye. I get the Inquisition. I look like Moses...long white hair, beard, driving a '72 VW camper. All I need are stone tablets and a big stick to make it complete.

Kid scratches off ticket at the counter and wins $20. Gives ticket to clerk who scans it and whips out the 20. Kid grins, runs over to candy aisle and starts loading up.

Go figure. Bosque county is starting to sound pretty good.

Regards,
Rabbit.
 
In defense of the store, I recall a sting operation some years ago where the city police hired a professional stage makup artist to doll up a 19 year old to look like he was 50, then they wagged him around to all the convenience stores to buy beer. IIRC they collected over $10,000 of fines from a whole lot of stores before the operation hit the newspapers.
 
I got asked last night at a grocery store in a nearby town. The computerized cash register stops when beer is rang up and the clerk has to enter Month/Day/Year of birth before it would advance. She took my word for the dates, but when I asked about it she said it was a real pain and apologized, but said corporate HQ required it be in all their cash registers. Seems they had a bucnh of under age folks buying with fake ID cards and then getting arrested. This now proves to the LEO community the kids used fake ID's to buy. Simply protection for the merchant.

BTW I was purchasing Lamar St Pale Ale. Pretty decent stuff has a good hops taste to it and of all things it is certified to be organic! Never heard of organic beer before, in fact it never occured to me that such things existed.
 
Just curious what tossing your CCW cards one the counter would have accomplished except for possibly feding your ego? "ooh, look at me, I carry a gun so you better not p!$$ me off." And hey, I've seen elderly women get carded at sports event s when buying alcohol. It's just the policy.
 
The local superwalmart here put in self checkout lanes. The local teens started hitting them on day one to buy their beer. It took a couple of months before Wallyworld restricted sales at the self checkouts. Maybe if the computer had asked you your age that would have stopped them!:D
 
BlkHawk73,

I don't have an ego to feed. One of my CCW cards actually has a better picture and more clearly states my DOB. It closely resembles my DL in size and shape and happened to be on top.

Only one family member knows for sure I CCW, others "might" suspect I have the licenses. I have a few folks that do know for sure...very close friends whom I shoot with, some LEO and few others.

I do not flaunt nor do I take the responsibity to CCW lightly. I have defended myself, and /or others. I won't get into the use of firearms in this regard - a search of previous posts will suffice.

Pretty much what pax shared on another thread...low profile and need to know basis.

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Yes I have asked for ID in my business dealings, but once I did obtain the ID I did not ask for it each time...accept as required...It was not for a pack of smokes, nor did this ID need be DL. It may be the required photo ID of a person whom is bonded for Millions of dollars and to satisfy BOTH of our Insurance needs. usually we just verbally exchanged the #...for the paperdrill.

I have done some more research in regard to The Tobacco Board and the enforcment area. I have had others on this forum inform me that they too have done the same. There is a concenus , as has been stated before, in may areas of requiring an ID, underage sales, and the like - it is NOT about the Corportions being fined and having to cover their butt. It is NOT about "protecting the folks that purchase underage". It is NOT about liabilty and such.

IT IS about control and/or money.

There is an area that is quite debatable and not for this thread- that area is Entrapment.

Any of you folks order cigars on-line for personal use or collection?
Any of you folks order tobacco from a website that is run by Native Americans? Couple that with Tobacco stamps ( revenue) the much talked about Internet tax ( revenue).

We have some real matters that need to be addressed as far as security and all. Monies are used for matters IMO that are nothing more for someone's ego trip to flex authority and instill fear to folks for control and money. Be it corporate or individuals.

Supposed "War on Tobacco" - yeah right. The Supposed "War on Terror, Drugs, evil black guns, magazines with more than ten rd capacity...etc.,comes tomind as well.

Personally I don't care if a person uses a credit card to order Cigars on-line, hey maybe he gets a selection not available locally , no problem if that person gets a better price on-line.

But wait, don't folks buy ammo with a credit card on-line from out of state. Have we not "heard" these transactions "might" ruffle some feathers in the name of "Supposed War on Crime, Terror, Drugs...? Well hell if a fellow orders tobacco online, he MUST be in the same mindset as these other evil folks...and what about the revenue the State is missing out on? We had better take note of his credit card transactions...I mean it is for the sake of controlling this individual from being a threat to society. Well lookee here this fellow goes to Mississippi once every two weeks,( gas purchaes on Credit Card) I bet he is buying tobacco cheaper than in his home state, I bet he is selling to minors, I bet he is trying to avoid paying taxes in his home state...best set up a "check point" - "papers citizen".

No way this could be a sales rep with a customers in Mississippi and he just happens to buy tobacco...nah...no way.

To much gummit meddlin IMO. Gummit needs to do what they were set out to do in the Constituition - nothing more. Leave me the hell alone.
 
As a part-time employee of a convenience store, here is my take on the situation. In Illinois the fine for selling to underage customers is (I believe) $500 for tobacco, and $1000 for alcohol. The law requires a valid picture ID to make a purchase. Invalid ID’s include broken, expired, or fake ID. Our store policy is to card anyone looking under 30 for alcohol and 25 for tobacco. However, anyone that’s worked at a convenience store (and has half a brain) gets a feel for when it is and isn’t appropriate to card someone. The oldest person I’ve ever carded was around 28.

As an employee, I think it’s a pain in the butt to card, but you have to CYA. The local PD runs stings on a regular basis. In a town of only 6000 you would be amazed how many teenagers attempt purchases. What’s really disturbing is the number of 20 something’s that never have ID.

I wish I had a dollar every time I’ve had this conversation. Me “That will be $xx.xx and I need to see your ID†customer “I don’t have an ID, but I’m over 18/21†me “well I can’t sell this to you without a valid picture ID†customer “But I’m 18/21 is someone else working?†Me “all employees are required to ask for a valid ID†customer “But I never carry an ID it’s too much of a hassleâ€. Me “Hassle? Didn’t you drive here? Don’t you have your DL?†Customer “Why do I need to carry my DL I’m 18/21†me “regardless I can’t sell this to you without ID I could loose my job, see all the cameras? This is all on tape and I can’t make this sale.†Usually they leave after this. I know most are lying about their age (everyone is 21+), but a few return later with an ID. After going through this twenty times every Friday and Saturday night you quit trusting anyone that looks under 25. You’d also be surprise at the number of return customers that never have their ID. Those are the ones that get pissy, especially when you tell them “I couldn’t sell this to you last time because you didn’t have ID, and you don’t have one now so I still can’t sell this to you. As soon as you bring in an ID I’ll be happy to let you make this purchase.†You try to be nice, but they just don’t get it. I know teenagers will be teenagers but I get tired of putting up with it for $6.25/ hr while working my way through grad school.

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