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Gov't gives thugs AR's, but not US Citizens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Smurfslayer, Jul 29, 2005.

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  1. Smurfslayer

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    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=86698

    He explained that during the 1990s, Congress relented to pressure from former envoy Dennis Ross and Secretary of State Madeleine Albright to give the rifles directly to the PA. "Under a veto threat, the Congress relented... Now, imagine how we felt a year later when we saw those -- when we saw Palestinian policemen using those M-16s to shoot Israelis

    SS: Ok, put aside the whole Israel/Palestine issue for a second... Anybody else have a problem with our Gov't GIVING to an AVOWED TERRORIST ORGANIZATION fully automatic assault rifles which WE - the UNITED STATES Citzens are prohibited from having ??????????????????????

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  2. armoredman

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    Makes perfect sense in Washington....I gotta scrimp and save for an SKS, buit they'll give true assault rifles to murdering terrorists. Yep, plain perfect political sense....
     
  3. LAR-15

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    It does not matter if we can own M-16s or not.

    What is bad is that they gave them to the PA which gave them to terrorists groups! :fire:

    Thanks Klintoon!
     
  4. HighVelocity

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    You left out the part about who paid for them. :cuss:
     
  5. LAR-15

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    Guatemalan tax payers?

    I know.

    US taxpayers. :mad:
     
  6. Kurush

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    I'd say that's pretty small potatoes compared to the poison gas we gave to Saddam Hussein.
     
  7. Double Naught Spy

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    Don't forget all the shoulder-fired rockets we supplied to bin Laden, many that were not used against Russia, but did get used against the US.

    The gov't has no problem with giving guns to others. They know what will happen. If they give them to us, then they risk us using them against the gov't.

    It really is a no-brainer.
     
  8. LAR-15

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    Ummm no Stingers were used against US troops as far as we know.

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    Except probably the recent special ops chopper in Afganistan...

    And the politicians showed there faces on TV and said unto us:
    "Wethinks the terrorists are UPARMING."

    No, you uparmed them against the soviets. Russian soldiers laugh bitterly in their stony graves in Afganistan :cool:
     
  10. Kurush

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    The stingers we gave them are way past their expected shelf life. It was more likely a ex-Soviet or Pakistani MANPAD, or maybe even a lucky shot with an RPG-7.
     
  11. jefnvk

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    Ummm...

    They are being used against the gov't right now.
     
  12. Rebar

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    What did you expect from the Clinton administration, which gave pardons to convicted terrorists?
     
  13. RevDisk

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    You mean the special battery with a limited shelf life? That was copied, reverse engineered and is now for sale on the black market?


    You think a few measely AR's compare whatsoever to Israeli illegally selling our technology to the Communist Chinese? Notice the Chinese Army have helicopters that look AWFULLY similiar to the Black Hawks? Just a drip in the bucket.

    Me, it's no surprise. Hell, I saw a tank pulled out of a mountain side that we gave to Tito back in the day. How about Lend-Lease to the Soviet Union? Should I bother to touch on Iran-Contra under Reagan? The US VERY much looked the other way when it came to funding the IRA.

    The only surprising thing is that you are surprised. Such things have been happening for a VERY long time in much greater quantity than a handful of M16's.
     
  14. buzz_knox

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    Yup. All reports of helos downed by ground launched missiles were due to RPGs.
     
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    Well apparently the technique is to use an RPG thats fuse is set at a certain distance. They just have to explode close to a helicopter.
     
  16. buzz_knox

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    Yup. A technique we taught them in Afghanistan and they taught the Somalis in '93. You cut the self-destruct fuze on an RPG warhead so it detonates at a point closer than 900m.
     
  17. Kurush

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    Do you have a source for this?

    If al Qaeda has working Stingers, why did they use nearly antique SA-7s against that Israeli airplane in Kenya?
     
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    Duh, who do you think the government trusts more? Guys with an accent or their own people :neener:
     
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    Kurush

    If al Qaeda has working Stingers, why did they use nearly antique SA-7s against that Israeli airplane in Kenya?


    You use what you have at the time. Besides, the RPG-7 is technically obsolete, but our troops take a beating from them quite often. Plus they probably have more SA-7s than Stingers, since SA-7s are cheaper and easier to buy.
     
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    Solid rocket motors have a limited shelf life, after a number of years they begin to develop cracks. Due to the way a solid rocket motor works, cracks cause it to kaboom on launch, killing the shooter rather than the target.

    Any rocket we sold to the Mujahidean in the 1980s is long past its shelf life, and even then, the Taliban wasnt in Afghanistan at the time, they moved in after the Soviet withdraw and were fighting the Muja continously until we showed up in 2001 and started kicking them around.

    Kharn
     
  21. Kurush

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    The RPG-7 is a simple and effective weapon system and will probably continue to be used for decades. The SA-7 on the other hand is junk. If AQ had operable Stingers they would have used them; even if they somehow are still operable they won't be for much longer, so there's no sense in hoarding them.
     
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    RevDisk said;
    You're kidding right? All weapons of this type are maintenance intensive. There are a lot of other components that require regular preventative maintenance. You're dealing with batteries, microelectronics, IR seekers, IFF circuitry....This isn't small arms ammo that if stored at a contstant temperature will keep for decades.

    If you really want to be pissed, you should check into the good training the state department contracted for the PA.

    Jeff
     
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    Stingers most definately have a limited life, after 16 years they are no longer considered useable for combat. I was a Avenger/MANPADS gunner in the Army, most of the ones we used in training were ones past their shelf life and they did all sorts of weird things when fired, mostly the seeker heads and flight motors failing. They are also considered unsafe for firing from the shoulder at that point. The early Stinger basics that we gave to the Taliban to fight the Soviets are no match for the anti-heat seeker technology on current US military aircraft anyway.
     
  24. makanut

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    It makes perfect sense in Washington to give full auto ARs to the PA, while at the same time U.S. citizens get "gun control." :scrutiny:

    All righty then, Agent Schmuckatelli. I wonder where all of this anti-government sentiment comes from? :rolleyes: Apparently, those inside the beltway intellectuals don't have s**t for brains. At least I'm smart enough not to fall for the old assault weapons to terrorists trick.
     
  25. RevDisk

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    No, I am not kidding. Yes, I am aware that many of the components have a limited lifespan and need regular PMCS. The battery was the component that was specifically designed to be a control item with a specifically limited lifespan. This might have changed, but last time I dealt with Stingers, that's what I was told.
     
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