Grease cookies in 45 Colt BP cartridges?

[ClemBert]

Is anyone using grease cookies in their 45 Colt blackpowder cartridges? Specifically, my question relates to revolver shooting and not rifile shooting. Thus, we are talking about a much shorter barrel.

I was using "standard" 250 grain RNFP .452 bullets that have rather shallow lube rings; basically designed for use with smokeless powder and smokeless powder lube. I melt off the crayon lube and insert my own beeswax/crisco lube. However, I question whether or not this is enough lube thus my question about adding a grease cookies below the base of the bullet.

If you do use grease cookies could you share how your grease cookie cartridge is constructed (i.e. thickness, wadding, etc). Shoot, why not tell me how your 45 Colt cartridge is constructed.

I previously put together two different configurations.

1. 30 grains Goex, lubricated wonder wad, 0.030 walter wad.
2. 35 grains Goex, 0.030 walter wad, NO wonder wad.

I'd rather skip the lubricated wonder wad. It adds to the expense of every cartridge and I'm a cheapskate. Also, I wonder if cartridges built with wonder wads will, overtime, contaminate the powder as the wonder wad is compressed in there thus squeezing out the lubricant. As a note, some lubricated wads when finger pinched can sometimes be observed to "drip out" lubricant.

 

[Matt-J2]

I never used any kind of wad, just 38gr FFF Goex(or Pyrodex P if Goex wasn't handy) and the bullet with SPG lube in the grooves after melting the hard wax lube. Though I fired a number with the wax lube as well, nothing bad ever seemed to happen.

 

[scrat]

about a year ago someone had asked me to post some pics for them. So these pics are not mine. However this is the way i do it now. using this method works very good.

1 45 colt or acp case
drill out flash hole. use a dremel bit or make up a rod and plunger. heck jb weld and a nail would work.

mix 60% bees wax 40% olive oil heated to mix then pour in pie pan to about 3/8 thickness. let cool. now just use the cookie cutter method

 

[BHP FAN]

I have used 28 gr. of 3f black powder, a cork gasket [card wad] a grease cookie,and a 250 gr. RNFP home cast lead bullet.The lube of the grease cookie keeps the guns running smooth and keeps the fouling down much more than the tiny amount of SPG that fits in the lube groove on your average bullet,a big plus with Black powder.Over on the SASS site, Dick Dasterdly sells Big Lube[tm] Bullets, that address the issue by doubleing the size of the lube groove.

 

[ClemBert]

So, what's the configuration of a cartridge with grease cookie supposed to look like? Is this correct?

Step #1: Powder
Step #2: Walter Wad (fiber wad or wax cardboard)
Step #3: Grease cookie
Step #4: Bullet

Or...do you put another wad between the grease cookie and the bullet so that the grease cookie doesn't stick to the base of the bullet?

Also, is anyone concerned that your grease cookie may contaminate your powder when the cartridges are get warm on a hot day?

 

[Pulp]

One advantage of grease cookies is they sometimes act like little tracers. You can't see it from behind the gun, but onlookers can.
Depending on what your primary shooting focus is, you may or may not need them. Using standard lube groove bullets in a carbine or rifle, yes, you'll need them. In your revolver, probably not.
The long range competitors use something between a grease cookie and the powder. One book I've got suggests wax paper. If you load 'em and shoot 'em, then an overpowder card or wad isn't necessary. If you load 'em and store them on a shelf for long times, then you might want to consider an overpowder card.
For ulitimate accuracy, use an overpowder card. I shoot primarily CAS, so minute of steel plate is plenty accurate for me.