Great deal on Nosler .223 brass!

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  1. 2ndtimer

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    https://shop.nosler.com/nosler-ammunition-ammo/223-rem-40gr-trophy-gradetm-ballistic-tipr-ammo-400ct-ammo-can.html

    400 rounds of Nosler .223 brass for $99 with free shipping is a decent deal. But look again. This is 400 rounds of Nosler Trophy Grade Ballistic Tip ammo for $99 delivered! You get brand new 40 gr Ballistic Tips in brand new Nosler brass ready to go, 400 rounds in a plastic ammo box, 10 rounds per plastic holder, for $5 per 20 rounds. Best deal I have run across in recent memory. They recommend for bolt action only, but in limited testing, it seems to run okay in my AR's. Very accurate, even in 1 in 8" twist barrels.

    Update: now showing out of stock
     
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    I may do it as the stuff should shoot great in my 1:12 twist .223 bolt gun. Merry Christmas to me. :)

    Ron
     
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    Yeah, I saw this post earlier today, went down to survey my stash of loaded ammo and components for .223, and said the last thing I need is another 400 rounds...

    And then I ordered anyway. :rofl:

    Couldn't pass it up.
     
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    I did the same thing, even though I ordered it 5 months ago when it was offered for $169.99. I thought THAT was a good deal. This one is even better. I am trying to resist ordering just one more.....:eek:
     
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    Pretty much what I did knowing I have several thousand and all of that is factory stuff. Thanksgiving morning (Just before Sandy Hook) my local Gander Mountain had a sale on Federal 223 in the ammo cans at $300 per thousand. I made the 10 min drive and bought a can, my wife said if it's a good deal buy more so I bought two more. Never could have known what was about to happen. I figure for the cost and getting the light bullets we shall see how they fair in my custom Remington bolt gun I built up. Never going to lose on them so may as well just have more. :)

    Ron
     
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    I wonder why they say bolt action only?
    Any geniuses here got a reason?
     
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    Possible reasons:
    1. Nosler says powder burn rate and lightweight bullet not conducive to reliable operation in semiautomatic rifles. I pulled a bullet from one and found it contained 25.6 grains of a short cut extruded powder similar to Accurate 2015 or H-322.
    2. Accuracy may not be optimal in faster twist barrels. Most AR's are twisted 1 in 7", 1 in 8" or 1 in 9", compared to most bolt guns 1 in 12" (particularly older bolt guns).
    3. Might be primed with soft primers, CCI-400 or Federal 205, which might potentially slam fire with the floating firing pin of an AR, but perfectly safe in bolt guns.

    Anyone else?
     
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    While some guys seem to have good luck with the light bullets in fast twist like a 1:7 AR I never really did and tried a wide range of powder and bullets. Matter of fact in my faster twist like 1:7 AR guns I never did well with bullets exceeding 55 grains. These should shoot well in my 1:12 Remington bolt gun I put together maybe 25 years ago. I figure at the price I just had to get some. :)

    Ron
     
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    The box arrived yesterday and I am glad I bought some. All 400 rounds in 10 round plastic holders and a pretty nice plastic ammo can. Looking forward to seeing how well this stuff shoots in my bolt gun. Thanks for the post making many of us aware.

    Ron
     
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    I just bought a bag of 250 222 Mag nosler brass from grafs. The bag says resize b-4 shooting as the brass is totally unprepped. I was happy to be able to find the brass, so no big deal.
    Maybe that is the reason for saying for bolt actions only.
    Unfortunately the rifle is not built yet and I am hoping to get a tight neck chamber, so I guess I have to wait and see what reamer will be used so I know how much to turn off the necks. May turn one or two necks and see if it chambers, so when I do size the rest of them, I hope to get the headspace a little closer than I would get FL sizing.
    Sorry to babble on, as I started out just giving my thoughts to Hondo 60s post
     
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    Just as a side note. When I built a 6 PPC as a project the fellow teaching the class showed me how to cut about 2" off my in the white barrel and we used the same chamber reamer to make a nice small neck gauge. First we cut the chamber and then using that reamer made my neck gauge. You may want to consider doing the same.

    First thing I did was buy a quality barrel blank, this was about 25 plus years ago I I think I went with a Hart barrel blank. Then we had Clymer custom make the reamers rougher and finisher. You can choose your neck, freebore and throat dimensions and any other dimensions you want to call out. Pretty sure today PTG (Pacific Tool and Gauge) will make you a reamer to your dimensions.

    I used an old Remington 720 action (I think) only because I had all the tools to work on Remington actions and finding good custom stocks was easy at the time. Good luck and the 222 Remington Magnum is a really sweet cartridge.

    Ron
     
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    Thanks Ron, that’s a great idea. The barrel will be reamed with one of the smiths reamers. Barrel was in stock at Brunos. I should be hooking up with the smith next week sometime. Not sure what reamers he has, but do want a tight neck. He has built quite a few rifles for me and all are super shooters. Can’t wait to get it. He’s only going to cut an inch off the barrel, but hopefully he might have a takeoff to cut off and use
    Thank you!
     
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    If you have your gauge cut before he cuts it off you could get by with a short cut. The reamers need barrel length to follow the bore. So cut the gauge first then your set. It's std practice to cut off 1" on the end the tooling runs in and out during mfg. No need to let it go to waste.
     
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    I should have mentioned that, thanks for the follow up.

    Thanks
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    Okey dokey, mine showed up early last week and I had a chance to take them out to the range today to see how they shot. I did have 8 cups of coffee this morning and it was chilly at the range, so the groups may have reflected that somewhat.

    The first rifle was a Remington 700, 1-12 twist with 24" heavy barrel. A ten shot group at 100 yards was 1.25" with eight of the ten grouped under 1" (one high and one low - poor trigger control on those).

    The second rifle was a Ruger American Predator, 1-8 twist and 22" standard barrel. A 5 shot group went into .75" at 100 yards and 5 more into 1.5" at 200 yards.

    (I don't normally shoot bullets that light in the 1-8 twist Ruger, but I was curious and ended up pleasantly surprised at the result.)

    But... These - at least in the lot I have - are loaded pretty hot. The muzzle velocity that Nosler listed on the box was 3700 fps with the barrel length for that not noted. As everyone knows, those box velocities are usually on the optimistic side.

    However, the 10 shot average in the 24" Remmy was 3784 fps (using a Labradar unit) and still 3750 fps from the 22" Ruger. The primers looked pretty normal in the Remington, but were quite flattened in the Ruger. They are definitely hotter than I would load them if I was putting them together myself.

    And it was only 34 degrees today. I'm guessing they would be running well over 3800 fps on a 90 degree prairie dog day in South Dakota... Maybe have to keep them on ice in a cooler!
     
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