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Great editorial cartoon concerning school shootings

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Warren, Oct 13, 2006.

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  1. Warren

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    That's great! Thanks for the post.
     
  3. AJ Dual

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    Yeah, it's satire. Notice the kids sidearms?

    They're missing the point though.

    Armed teachers isn't about deterrence/prevention, it's about mitigation.
     
  4. Justin

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    You can bet it's meant to be a satire on the "arm teachers" meme.

    However, it doesn't strike me as being terribly snarky.
     
  5. Warren

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    Yeah, everybody is carrying SA sixguns. Maybe that was the easiest gun type to get across in a drawing.

    And it might be the best choice for school kids. A gun that can only go off if the hammer is thumbed back, carried with the hammer down on an empty chamber. For a group of people who run around a lot and run into things and each other it might be the safest way to carry.
     
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    Pretty cute...I would have preffered it was just the teacher armed and not the kids. The kids being armed will overwhelm the point when someone on the fence reads it.

    Plus, I think it would have been able to have dual meaning if the teacher alone was armed. She would be ruler of her class and defender if need arises.
     
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    My Dad used to take a Winchester '06 to elementary school and prop it in the corner at the back of the room along with his lunch each day so that he could shoot squirrels on the way home. During WWII this was a good way to supplement the family meat ration.

    I used to take rifles/shotguns to High School and had them displayed openly in a rack in my pickup window. I also use to check out an M14 (with "da switch") from the ROTC arms room for drill, etc. or a .22 match rifle for practice at lunch or after school.

    Arm the kids? Why not? (with parental approval, of course). I was using firearms UNSUPERVISED at age 11, but this is because I started using them at age 8 with training and supervision.
     
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    Link doesn't work for me.:confused:
     
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    It's definitely a satire.

    Look at the other cartoons linked on the page: they're all meant to be send-ups of "Right Wing American" values.

    You occasionally get articles or cartoons that are good for both sides though, and this cartoon is close to being one. If they'd left the guns off the kids, I'd say it'd be a total "Is it a vase or two faces?" cartoon.

    I absolutely loved the Onion article about Brer Rabbit tricking Bush into signing a gun control bill, especially this part:

    Follow link to "Devious Rabbit Tricks Bush Into Signing Gun Ban": http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30622

    -MV
     
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    dude. its the onion. the internets number one fake news source!. regardless of politics, read some of thier stuff. HILARIOUS
     
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    Works for me.
     
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    I liked the cartoon, especially the eager expressions on the children!!!:)
     
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    I like it!
    I'd like to see an in depth analysis of the parents of these kids that shoot up schools. I grew up with guns and had access to them, as did millions of Americans for the past couple centuries and we didn't have these problems.
     
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    Not to get too serious about a cartoon, but it's wrong.

    NOTHING will dissuade the "sickos" from trying to cause mayhem. They're not guided by rational reasoning processes from what I've seen. That means that the prospect of death isn't going to be a deterrent as the cartoon suggests. After all, most of these snafus are murder-suicides.

    It's not about making schools less attractive to the "sicko", it's about very rapidly incapacitating the "sicko" as soon as he makes his intentions obvious.

    Arming teachers (or at least having armed personnel providing some level of protection) makes sense, but implying that their presence alone will serve as a deterrent is missing the mark IMO.
     
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    Damn you...how dare you bring up a good point. Especially one I had not considered yet. :)
     
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    I had mixed feelings about this one when it came out this week. The "Kelly" cartoons in The Onion are usually hilarious, just-exaggerated-enough-to-be-funny sendups of that heavy-handed populist style of political cartoons with crude artwork, every character and object conspicuously labeled so that the point could not possibly be missed, with a little commentary in the corner by the cartoonist, and so on. In fact, they are authentic-looking enough that many people not familiar with The Onion's approach might not be blamed for thinking they were "real". So, yes, it's a satire on the idea of arming teachers, just in not as obvious or grotesque a style as is usually found in The Onion.
     
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    SATIRE, people. SATIRE.
     
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    I have to respectfully disagree. Yes, nothing will dissuade they from trying to cause mayhem, but the main reason these "sickos" pick schools is precisely the reason that they don't pick gunstores or police stations for their homocidial/suicidal rampages. They may know that, yes in the end they're going to die, but in the meantime they are going to take alot of innocents with them before they go, that's what they want.

    If we "Harden the Target" (i.e. allow CCW for Teachers who choose to be trained and armed.), then the schools are less inviting targets for the "sickos." Ask the Isrealis.

    And anyone who thinks that Al-Qaeda and the other terrorist groups weren't watching/taking notes, is just fooling themselves.
     
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    Weren't TOO long ago a ten YO boy would bring his little rifle to school for a little squirrel huntin' afterwards. Somewhere along the way we lost that path...
     
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    Sounds like the Onion is reltively pro-gun by reading some of the stuff on their site:
     
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    The reasons "sickos" pick schools for school shootings are:

    1. They're kids mad at their teachers/classmates/etc.
    2. They're nuts who want to kill kids.

    Bottom line, people pick schools because they want to kill the people in the schools. Arming people in the schools won't change the selection process although it could have a distinctively positive effect in stopping attacks rapidly.

    Terrorists select targets for very different reasons and using very different criteria than the sort of disturbed people who typically perpetrate school shootings. Maybe terrorists will realize that schools are good targets, but if they do, it's going to take more than a teacher with a pistol to do any good.

    Think about how effective arming people in the World Trade Center would have been in preventing those attacks.

    I'm CERTAINLY not arguing against arming teachers--I think that there are tangible benefits to that approach. I just don't think that deterrence is high on the list of benefits when you take into account the kind of person perpetrating this sort of atrocity.
     
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    Definately satire...some of those "Major Arteries" and "Stopping Points" are just wrong.
     
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