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Great quotes - freedom, liberty, and tyranny

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  1. 357Man

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    I always enjoy reading great quotes, especially those concerning liberty, freedom and their opposing force, tyranny.
    I ran across a good one today:

    "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be most
    oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than ~ under
    omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sleep, his cupidity
    may at some point be satiated; but those torment us for our own good will
    torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own
    conscience." -- C.S. Lewis

    My all time fave:
    "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." - William Pitt, 1795

    Any favorites?
     
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    "A well-crafted pepperoni pizza, being necessary to the preservation of a diverse menu, the right of the people to keep and cook tomatoes, shall not be infringed." I would ask you to try to argue that this statement says that only pepperoni pizzas can keep and cook tomatoes, and only well-crafted ones at that. This is basically what the so-called states rights people argue with respect to the well-regulated militia, vs. the right to keep and bear arms. – Bruce Tiemann

    Without either the First or Second Amendment, we would have no liberty; the first allows us to find out what's happening, the second allows us to do something about it! -- Andrew Ford


    The tree of liberty only grows when watered by the blood of tyrants. -- Bertrand Barère de Vieuzac (1755–1841)

    Man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains. – Jean Jacques Rousseau

    Human behavior can only be initiated by an act of will originating within the person acting. It cannot be caused or controlled from the outside. If you refuse to cooperate with the tyrant, he cannot cause your cooperation. He can push you around, even kill you, but he cannot cause you to initiate any purposive action. – Greg Swann


    Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything --- you can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. – Robert Heinlein in If This Goes On –

    pax

    I always have a quotation for everything -- it saves original thinking. -- Dorothy L. Sayers (who, btw, is one of my favorite writers)
     
  3. Dogsoldier

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    Here are some of my favorites:

    "Sic Pacium Para Bellum"

    "Those who beat their swords into plow shears, usually end up plowing the fields of those who didn't"

    "My kid can beat up your honor role student"

    "911, Government sposored dial a prayer"

    "Fear the government that fears your guns"

    :what: (no reason for the smilie, just thought it looks cool)
     
  4. Nanook

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    Here's one you don't see much:

    One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the evils in this world are to be cured by legislation. -- THOMAS B. REED (1886)

    Another that's appropriate to our fight:

    "One of the common failings among honorable people is a failure to appreciate how thoroughly dishonorable some other people can be, and how dangerous it is to trust them." Thomas Sowell

    And one for the Statists: (It's for your own good...)

    "We are the priests of power - do not forget this, Winston - always there will be the intoxication of power . . . If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face –– forever."
    O'Brien, Inner Party member of the collectivist oligarchy and brain washing specialist in the final scene of Orwell's 1984
     
  5. Nanook

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    Some more:

    "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animated contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." Samuel Adams

    Here's one from a well-known Democrat:

    "The right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which... historically has proven to be always possible." Hubert H. Humphrey

    And from the emperor of scumbags:

    "We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans ..."
    Bill Clinton (USA TODAY, 11 March 1993, page 2A)
     
  6. 4v50 Gary

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    The Jews have weapons!

    "Juden haben waffen!" - unknown German askari. The Germans marched into the Jewis Ghetto at Warsaw to remove the last Jews. The Jews didn't behave according to German rules and opened fire on them.
     
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    "There are essentially two kinds of tyranny. The tyranny of the strong and the tyranny of the weak. Fascism,which appeals to the bully in all of us, has always been of the former sort; identity politics, which appeals to the groupie in all of us, has denegrated into the latter. Why? Because it is billed as a fight for the under dog-and who can quarrel with that?-the proverbial fine print says something else. Namely, that the cause of the underdog justifies depriving the overdog of his constitutional rights. So. though they don't violate people's rights by beating them with nightsticks, identity politicians tend to accomplish a similar tyranny by committee, behind closed doors". Norah Vincent
     
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    "A militia when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves." - Richard Henry Lee, Januar 25, 1788, Letters from the Federal Farmer to The Republican, 18

    "Who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers." - George Mason, Virginia Ratification Convention, 1788

    "What, sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty." - Rep. Edbridge Gerry, debating the Second Amendment, 1789

    "But it ought always to be held prominently in view that the safety of these States and of everything dear to a free people must depend in an eminent degree on the militia. Invasions by be made too formidable to be resisted by any land and naval force which would comport either with the principles of our Government or the circumstances of the United States to maintain. In such cases recourse must be made to the treat body of the people, and in a manner to produce the best effect." - President James Madison's First Inaugural Address, 1817

    "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." - Richard Henry Lee, 1788

    "No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms within his own lands or tenements." - Thomas Jefferson, Draft of the Virginia Constitution, 1776

    "Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual discretion in private self defense" - John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of the Government of the United States of America, 1788

    "No clause in the Constitution could by any rule of construction be conceived to give to congress a power to disarm the people," - William Rawle, A View of the Constitution, 1829

    "To disarm the people (is) the best and most efficient way to enslave them" - George Mason, Virginia Ratification Convention, june 14, 1788

    "But to be in conflict with the Constitution, it is not essential that the act should contain a prohibition against bearing arms in every possible form; it is the right to bear arms in defense of the citizens and the state, that is secured by the constitution, and whatever restrains the full and complete exercise of that right, though no an entire destruction of it, is forbidden by the explicit language of the constitution." - Kentucky Supreme Court, 1822

    "Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought, to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of non-resistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind." - New Hampshire Constitution, 1784

    "Congress shall never disarm any citizen unless such as are or have been in actual rebellion." - New Hampshire's request for a Bill of Rights, June 21, 1788

    "A free people ought to be armed." - George Washington, speech of January 7, 1790, published in the Boston Independent Chronicle, January 14, 1790

    "Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson, 1785
     
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    Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. -- Robert Heinlein

    It is bad to be oppressed by a minority, but it is worse to be oppressed by a majority. For there is a reserve of latent power in the masses which, if it is called into play, the minority can seldom resist. But from the absolute will of an entire people there is no appeal, no redemption, no refuge but treason. -- Lord Acton

    A policeman's job is only easy in a police state. -- Orson Welles

    There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. – Robert Heinlein

    The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it. – John Hay

    The welfare of the people has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience. -- Albert Camus

    The ideal citizen of a tyrannical state is the man or woman who bows in silent obedience in exchange for the status of a well-cared for herd animal. Thinking people become the tyrant's greatest enemies. -- Claire Wolfe

    The usual road to slavery is that first they take away your guns, then they take away your property, then last of all they tell you to shut up and say you are enjoying it. -- James A. Donald

    The road to tyranny, we must never forget, begins with the destruction of the truth. -- William J. Clinton, President, At the University of Connecticut, Oct 15 1995

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    People will accept your ideas much more readily if you tell them Benjamin Franklin said it first. -- David H. Comins
     
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    "In the name of the best within you, do not sacrifice this world to those who are its worst. In the name of the values that keep you alive, do not let your vision of man be distorted by the ugly, the cowardly, the mindless in those who have never achieved his title. Do not lose your knowledge that man's proper estate is an upright posture, an intransigent mind and a step that travels unlimited roads. Do not let your fire go out, spark by irreplaceable spark, in the hopeless swamps of the approximate, the not-quite, the not-yet, the not-at-all. Do not let the hero in your soul perish, in lonely frustration for the life you deserved, but have never been able to reach. Check your road and the nature of your battle. The world you desired can be won, it exists, it is real, it is possible, it's yours."

    (p. 1069). ~ Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
     
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    "He's a very good liar." -- former Nebraska senator Bob Kerrey speaking of Klinton
     
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    Quotes About Clinton...

    If I were in the President's place I would not get a chance to resign. I would be lying in a pool of my own blood, hearing Mrs. Armey standing over me saying, "How do I reload this damn thing?" --Congressman Dick Armey

    Clinton is all seduction. The presidency is marriage. -- Michael Barone (before the first election and well before any scandals had come out)

    He who lives by demogoguery shall die by tabloid poisoning. -- Joe Rogaly

    The president has kept all of the promises he intended to keep. -- Clinton Aide George Stephanopolous

    Bill Clinton does not have the moral fiber to be a mass murderer. -- Nobel Peace Prize recipient Dr. Henry Kissinger

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    "Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God."
    Thomas Jefferson

    "If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." Winston Churchill

    "As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there's a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged, and it is in such twilight that we must be aware of change in the air, however slight, lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
    Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas

    "What luck for rulers, that men do not think."
    Adolph Hitler

    "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible to live without breaking laws." Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
     
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    No nation can remain free unless its people cherish their freedoms, understand the responsibilities they entail, and nurture the will to preserve them.
    John F. Kennedy

    This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it.
    Abraham Lincoln

    Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do children of humans as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.
    Helen Keller

    All of us who are concerned for peace, reason and justice must be keenly aware how small influence reason and honest goodwill exert upon events in the political field.
    Albert Einstein

    I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence.
    Ghandi

    A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
    The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to complacency;, from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependence; from dependence back again into bondage.

    Prof. Alexander Tyler, 200+ years ago while we were still a colony

    "jackbooted American fascists"
    Rep. John Dingell, D-MI, at the 1980 Congressional hearings on the BATF

    "...one of the most Rambo-rogue law enforcement agencies in the United States." Harold Volkmer, D-MO(?) at the same hearings
     
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    It is not for honor or glory or wealth that we fight, but for freedom alone, which no good man gives up except with his life.
    Declaration of Arbroath, Scottland, 1320ad.
     
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    Some good ones in this thread - lots I haven't seen before.

    Here's a couple favs:

    "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun."
    -- The Dalai Lama, (May 15, 2001, The Seattle Times)

    [the Lama then went on to say how maybe shooting to wound, like in the leg or something, would be acceptable. I figure that's just because he's not a student of tactics. Maybe his SWAT subscription is up?]

    "If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees."
    -- His Billness, President Bill Clinton 8/12/93.

    "Those who have long enjoyed such privileges as we enjoy forget in time that men have died to win them."
    -- Franklin D. Roosevelt
     
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    GRD, do you have a reference for the GW quote?

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    "The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value. I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress and grow brave by reflection. 'Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death."
    -Thomas Paine


    "Efficiency is intelligent laziness."
    -David Dunham
    This one is not realy related it has just always been one of my favorite qutes.

    "Live free or die."
    -New Hampshire State Motto

    Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."
    -Martin Luther King, Jr.


    Knowledge is power."
    -Francis Bacon
     
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    Freedom suppressed and again regained bites with keener fangs than freedom never endangered. – Marcus Tullius Cicero (106-43 B.C.)

    He is free who lives as he wishes to live; who is neither subject to compulsion nor to hindrance, nor to force; whose movements to action are not impeded, whose desires attain their purpose, and who does not fall into that which he would avoid. – Epictetus (ca 55-135 A.D.), Discourses, ca 100 A.D.

    Men fight for liberty and win it with hard knocks. Their children, brought up easy, let it slip away again, poor fools. And their grand-children are once more slaves. – D. H. Lawrence (1885-1938), 1915

    During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. – George Orwell

    Everyone wants to save the planet but no one wants to help Mom clean the dishes." – P.J. O'Rourke, in All the Trouble in the World
     
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    dev_null: still looking for more specifics, but it appears to be from Washington's address to the second session of the first Congress.

    - Gabe
     
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    I had a feeling, which is why I asked. It just didn't seem to be phrased like the other FF quotes I've run across. Thanks.

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