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Greenfield Gun Ban

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Brad_Krause, Jun 15, 2009.

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  1. Brad_Krause

    Brad_Krause Member

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    If you are from Greenfield, please contact me immediately via private message.

    Everyone in Milwaukee and surrounding counties needs to attend and speak at the meeting. This is the start of a complete ban.

    Greenfield City Hall, room 100
    7325 W. Forest Home Avenue
    Monday, June 15, 6:30 PM

    AGENDA FOR THE LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE MEETING TO BE HELD IN THE COMMON COUNCIL CHAMBERS, ROOM 100, OF THE GREENFIELD CITY HALL ON JUNE 15, 2009 AT 6:30 P.M.

    6. Discussion and decision to amend Chapter 10 of the Municipal Code to include the following state statutes regarding firearms: 167.31; 941.235; 941.237; 941.29; 948.60; & 948.605 (P.D.)(LC 6/15/09) (City interprets the law)

    7. Discussion and decision to amend Section 10.16 of the Municipal Code regarding Milwaukee County parks and parkways ordinance (P.D.)(LC 6/15/09) (City park ban)

    8. Review of existing ordinances/procedures for update and/or clarification as the need arises (Lubotsky, Pietrowski, Saryan) (Store ban)

    FOX 6 News: http://www.thenewsroom.com/details/3721352
     
  2. benminer

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    If a business owner is anti-gun isn't it in everybody's best interest that they let it be known so people can choose not to shop there?
     
  3. Brad_Krause

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    Understanding your rights

    Separate issue. Store owners don't need a law so they can put up a specific type of notice.

    Signage is only one facet.
     
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  4. Brad_Krause

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    I've been wanting to post a detailed message, but haven't been able to find the time to do it, and will post a brief message instead.

    I want to thank the people who attended for the fantastic turnout at the Greenfield council meeting. There were a lot of speakers, and a resolution still hasn't been reached. Things look favorable for defeating the proposed ordinance, but we don't know how things will turn out and should plan on attending the next meeting.
     
  5. Brad_Krause

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    Greenfield Quietly Passed A Ban

    Greenfield Gun Ban - 7:00 PM Tuesday 10/06

    On June 15 a city-wide firearms ban was defeated in Greenfield, and the next day the same happened in South Milwaukee.

    A few weeks later Greenfield Alderperson Tom Pietrowski assured me the matter was dead. Alderperson Linda Lubotsky said she removed the item from the agenda and "it will not be discussed at the next legislative meeting."

    Instead, Greenfield city council expanded their firearms prohibition to include all city parks, parklands, parkways, trail connections, and nature areas. They then adopted state statutes limiting firearms use, reportedly to increase city coffers at your expense. They also increased police department fee collection and expanded who may issue citations to city employees not employed by the police department.

    The next city council meeting is Tuesday, October 6 at 7:00 PM. I ask you speak out with me, even if we say the same thing:


    1.) The parks ban is preempted by WI State Statute 66.0409.

    2.) Adoption of state statutes as local ordinances creates a threat against the public where the city is able interpret law and bankrupt challengers, much as West Allis attempted.

    Meetings are held at
    GREENFIELD CITY HALL
    7325 WEST FOREST HOME AVENUE
    ROOM 100
    7:00 PM TUESDAY OCTOBER 6



    Brad Krause
    AACFI Certified Basic Handgun Instructor
    MN Department of Public Safety Certified Permit To Carry Instructor
    National Rifle Association Certified Firearms Instructor
    Wisconsin Civil Rights Advocate
    E-mail by clicking my name at left.



    Notes:
    Greenfield's minutes from 6/15 and 8/17:
    http://tinyurl.com/greenfield-wi-minutes


    Greenfield 8/17 Item 4. Amend Municipal Code Chapter 10.16 to include: "These ordinances and defining rules and regulations shall also be applicable to all city parks, parklands, parkways, trail connections and nature areas."

    Ald. Lubotsky moved, Ald. Pietrowski seconded adopting the amendment. Motion carried unanimously.

    Greenfield Municipal Code 10.01 - Weapons.
    http://tinyurl.com/greenfield-wi-code-weapons
    (1) Discharging and carrying of firearms and guns prohibited. (Cr. #1412) No person, except a sheriff, constable, police officer or their deputies, shall fire or discharge any firearm, rifle, spring or air gun within the City or have any firearm, rifle, spring or air gun in his possession or under his control, unless it is unloaded and knocked down or enclosed within a carrying case or other suitable container, provided the City Council may permit the maintenance and use of supervised rifle or pistol ranges or shooting galleries. This subsection shall prohibit hunting within the City. These ordinances and defining rules and regulations shall also be applicable to all city parks, parklands, parkways, trail connections and nature areas.

    Wisconsin Statutes on-line: 66.0409 Local regulation of firearms.
    http://tinyurl.com/wi-stat-66-0409
    (2) Except as provided in subs. (3) and (4), no political subdivision may enact an ordinance or adopt a resolution that regulates the sale, purchase, purchase delay, transfer, ownership, use, keeping, possession, bearing, transportation, licensing, permitting, registration or taxation of any firearm or part of a firearm, including ammunition and reloader components, unless the ordinance or resolution is the same as or similar to, and no more stringent than, a state statute.






    Greenfield 8/17 Item 5. Amend Municipal Code Chapter 10 to include the following state statutes regarding firearms: 167.31; 941.235; 941.237; 941.29; 948.60; & 948.605.

    Ald. Lubotsky moved, Ald. Akers seconded adopting the amendment. Motion carried with Ald. Lubotsky & Akers voting in favor; Ald. Pietrowski opposed.

    Greenfield Municipal Code
    http://tinyurl.com/greenfield-wi-code
    10.29.29--10.961.575

    Wisconsin Statutes on-line:
    http://www.legis.state.wi.us/rsb/stats.html
    167.31 Firearms in vehicles ban.
    941.235 Firearms in public buildings ban.
    941.237 Firearms in bars and other ban.
    941.29 Firearms possession by ex-felons and others ban.
    948.60 Firearms possession by a person under 18 ban.
    948.605 School "zone" ban.




    Greenfield Municipal Code
    http://tinyurl.com/greenfield-wi-code
    10.16 Adoption of Milwaukee County parks and parkways ordinance.

    47.05 Use of firearms, fireworks; hunting with bow and arrow and trapping; throwing of missiles; making of fires; deposit or breakage of tin cans, bottles and glassware, prohibited.
    (1) Use of firearms and fireworks; hunting with bow and arrow; trapping. No person shall carry, fire or discharge any gun, pistol or firearm, nor any rocket, torpedo or other fireworks of any description, nor shall any person engage in trapping within any park or parkway without a written permit of the department of parks, recreation and culture; nor shall any person hunt with bow and arrow within any park or parkway. No person shall carry, fire or discharge any gun, pistol or firearm, nor any rocket, torpedo or other fireworks of any description upon any premises owed or leased by Milwaukee County which is not part of the county parks and parkways. The word "gun" shall include airgun.







    Greenfield Mayor and City Council
    http://tinyurl.com/wi-council
    E-mail addresses and other details are available at the above link.

    Mayor Michael J. Neitzke
    Office: (414) 329-5200

    Alderperson Linda Lubotsky
    Office: (414) 329-5201
    Home: (414) 282-5367

    Alderperson Tom Pietrowski
    Office: (414) 329-5202
    Home: (414) 425-3079

    Alderperson Karl Kastner
    Office: (414) 427-1599
    Home: (414) 329-1593

    Alderperson Pam Akers
    Office: (414) 329-5204
    Home: (414) 281-6998

    Alderperson Shirley Saryan
    Office: (414) 329-5203
    Home: (414) 282-1919
     
  6. Brad_Krause

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    Update

    Many people attended and voiced excellent reasons why the ordinances are bad for Greenfield. City council moved for the ordinances to return to the legislative committee where Greenfield will have the opportunity to re-think their prior decisions.

    Nationally, the federal government has eroded your rights over a long period of time, effectively reducing your ability to lead your own life free of government intervention. Adding insult to injury, you have to pay the government to run your life through never-ending taxes.

    People are taking a stand, and as the federal government loses power the state and local governments struggle to regain control, with Greenfield being an excellent example. Greenfield's argument is that by using the law to disarm criminals, everyone is safe. It is a glaringly false argument: criminals commit the same crimes with the same tools, but victims are denied the ability to defend themselves.

    As one victim pointed out in front of Greenfield's city council, crime stops when we refuse to be victims; in other words, when we take a stand. This is exactly what happened Tuesday, citizens took a stand and told local government they won't have the ability to exercise their guaranteed rights stolen from them.

    You too can make a change, you just have to get out and do it--that and bring your friends with you.
     
  7. rogertc1

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    I am surprised Wisconson has not ban hunting yet.
     
  8. Jim K

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    Didn't someone, maybe Uncle Adolf, say, "What law? I am the law." Sounds like the idea is alive and well even if the originator isn't.

    Jim
     
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