Greenleaf Idaho... to require people to own guns?

Folks oughta read the articles before posting.

The ordinance is an encouragement, a recommendation--but NOT a requirement.

In one article about this deal, the spokesman for the Council said among other things that, "Since almost everybody around here has a gun..." So, they're just adding on to the way most locals there already believe. "Blessing" it, I guess you could say.

Art

 

How can an Ordinance (def: an authoritative order, a decree) "ask" someone to do something?

Laws either compel you to do something or not to do something.

The whole thing is goofy to put into a law with no chance of enforcement. What's the point?

 

Left liberal migration...

What a city subject to left-liberal migration needs is a release signed by a prospective resident:

 

That's an EXCELLENT idea. I'll be printing that out and giving to my idiot ant- neighbor

Maybe spruce it up a bit and add a reference to the Supreme Court case where that was decided.

 

Why not just lift all gun laws and let them open carry anywhere they want instead putting a new ordinance in the books? Any time the Govt. gets smaller is a good thing, but adding new "encouragements/recommendations" is silly. Take laws off the book, don't try to give us more freedom by passing new laws (ordinance).

 

When I first started in LE, Believe it or not I was a cop in Greenleaf. We actually worked two small towns and a mexican labor camp. Just for the record, you CAN open carry. It never raised an eyebrow if a farmer had a gun on his hip or something. That Mexican Labor camp (Chula Vista) was a brutally violent place. Shooting and stabbing calls were pretty much every single week throughout most of the warmer months.

The farmers out there are a great group of guys. They watched out for me as much as I did for them. On more than one occurrence a farmer stopped to see if I was allright on a call (like an open door on a building). I looked after their stuff and kids just like they were my next door neighbors. In return, a lot of farmers would drop food and stuff off by my house because they knew that my $583 every two week paycheck was tough to survive on. Because it was under a 5 man department they paid no ovetime and no comp time. 50 hours a week or 80 hours a week, it was the same $583.

On another matter, I over looked a lot of VERY short shotguns in pickups when I would go to grab a tool or something for one of them. One that I overlooked ended up in the hands of the owner coming to check on me behind a building where I had chased a mexican who had a warrant and I was scrapping with at the time. I cannot remember what was said, but the POS quit fighting when he looked up and saw the farmer with a short scattergun yelling at him.

Eventually I got recruited to a state police job. I could not have survived on the pay anyways. I used to get a laugh as I would see a couple of the locals who were gun nuts get out of their pickups in front of the PD with guns in their hands. It either meant they got a new one they wanted me to see or something was wrong with it and they wanted to see if I could fix it.

Most people in rural Idaho are just like those farmers. It does not surprise me about Greenleaf city council making a suggestion like that. thats just the nature of rural Idahoans. However small town politics is something that I never want to be involved with again. Too many wannabe big fish in a small pond.

 

On one level, I don't quite get it. Where I'm at, just about everyone is armed anyway. Open carry is perfectly legal, throughout the state. Concealed carry is legal anywhere but incorporated areas - then you need a permit, which is really easy to get.

On another level, perhaps it's a reaction to Caldwell's growth? (Greenleaf is about 6 miles due west of Caldwell city center) They don't want to be swallowed up by the city! Over on my end of the state, areas like Nampa and Caldwell have recently seen a real upswing in gang related crime... At least that's what our local newspapers are reporting.

How about it, ID Shooting? Could this be the reason for these "security" measures?

 

I think this is good. Better, or rather perhaps in addition to, would be to introduce firearms into the sports programs at schools starting at the elementary level. Archery would be another good one too.

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Aha, I'm back! Bwahahaha!

I like this idea. Militia the way it should be. Everyone in town is part of an organized fighting force who's link to the government is on the most local, and generally weakest level. Their mission is only to defend, protect, and do voluntary service in their one little area. Good.

 

I think its great idea---However, I don't think they should FORCE everyone, any more than they should restrict anyone/everyone. Some may have religious/moral feelings against having a gun in the house (I'm sure I'll get flamed for this).

But, they could encourage, somehow (have the town buy each household a shotgun?) that as many possible be armed. Training as well. Can't imagine it'd make a big dent in their tax revenues.

I had a friend from Finland, where they have mandatory military (2 yrs.) service. You get to take your gun home at the end. They DON'T have a problem with house burglaries, as the BGs KNOW there's a gun, and someone that knows how to use it, in every household.

 

Shortly after writing the 2nd Amendment, the Founding Fathers wrote the Militia Act of 1792 which required able-bodied males to have a minimum level of arms:

Recall the 2nd Amendment sez "necessary to the security of a free state" - THAT is the homeland security clause.

While the Militia Act of 1792 (IIRC) didn't dole out punishment for noncompliance (to wit: not arming oneself), and while I won't go so far as to make non-exercise of a right into a crime, social expectation & responsibility SHOULD include being armed. Socially, not having a gun in the house should be considered like not having electricity or running water - your right to have or not as you see fit, but c'mon...

 

Morning AL,

Ya, the rise in violent crime amongst the Canyon County gangs is the most probable reason for this ordnance.

I have another idea as well, Since Vasquez has been so one-sidded in his disdain for the illegals over there, there has been a real seperation of conservative and liberal politics. I wonder if this is a premptive strike to tell the rest of Canyon County to shove it if some crazy gun control measure comes up next year.

 

[sarcasm] Egad! The town wants people to take personal responsibility for their well-being!? What a notion! WE have to be RESPONSIBLE for OURSELVES?! Quick, someone elect Hillary! My socialist brain can't stand it! [/sarcasm]

 

Could be, ID.

Several years ago, the Greenbelt in Boise had signs posted that made carrying a misdemeanor. A friend of mine has worked as a volunteer with the Boise PD at the Greenbelt, ever since they started the program. Whenever I'm in Boise, if it's a weekend, I go out with my friend on his "patrol." I carry. My friend can't, because of the contract he signed with the city (partial police powers but no carry due to him not being POST certified - same as any reservist that has not gone to POST).

In the last five years, all the signs have come down. The police have been educated that concealed carry (with permit) is lawful on the Greenbelt, even if the police don't like it (yes, some do get made and "Man with a gun" calls get sent out). Last spring, the final hurdle was broke. Open carry is now OK. The Boise PD has finally come around that Idaho State Law trumps all municipal laws to the contrary.

It was a long and under-the-table "fight" that most have never heard about. But we won. (Meridian has refused to take their signs down, but they no longer enforce their city ordinance... partial win there) Nowadays, when the "call" goes out, the person of interest is simply approached. If concealed, the police check his permit and politely instruct the person how to better conceal their gun (usually happens with bicycle riders). If the person is carrying openly, the police simply observe demeanor of the individual and 99% of the time report no problem.

It all goes back to the point that it is much harder to regain what was lost than to prevent the loss in the first place.

 

Ya, I really liked the Parks & Rec people trying to violate State law, especially in the most hazzardous part of the city. We avoided the Greenbelt for a few years becuase of that. Since the signage has come down, we visit belt and associated areas more often.

Back to Greenleaf, we drive through there all the time on our way to and from Ft. Boise/Parma area during bird season in the fall and the Sandd Hollow area for whistle pig season in the spring. We used to stop at the little store right in town quite often, cold drinks and good ammo prices. We were disheartened to see that it closed a few years back.

If somone could find a way to re-open it, we would resume our spending there. This proposed ordnance, passed or not, reinforced my wish to spend money in thier town.

 

I'm all for the 2nd amendment, but I'm against forcing someone to do anything. And why are people in Idaho so paranoid?

 

Paranoid? What makes you think "each homeowner has the minimal tools needed to protect his own home" is paranoid? It's no more "paranoid" than asking people to have fire extinguishers and smoke detectors.

Summary:
Violent crime rates decrease where there are more guns.
Violent crime rates increase where there are fewer guns.
Not a perfect correlation, but enough to want upstanding citizens to be at least armed at home.

 

I hear and read more things people in Idaho preparing for SHTF or end times scenarios than the other 49 states combined. At least it seems that way.

 

Gotta Love this State!

there are groups in most towns here in Idaho pushing for the same let's hope it passes in each

 

That's the same argument I use with my neighbors. They call me paranoid, but they all have fire extinguishers.

They really don't get it when I compare firearms to fire extinguishers.

Which makes them stupid of course

 

MSNBC just had Larry Pratt? form Gun Owners of America on with Jerry Belair from Stop Handgun Violence. They lost the audio feed for Jerry Belair early on and Larry was allowed to talk freely without interruption.
While you could tell that MSNBC was hoping to put a negative spin on this it actually was a little bit of good p.r. for us! Every little bit helps.

 

I love Idaho

 

Good grief man! Have you forgotten that Idaho has a border with CANADA!

 

tellner, I MUST have that on a T-shirt!!!

Are they available somewhere???

 

Canada? Heck, we have a border with Washington-now there's something to be concerned about!

Bri