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Guess what the doctor asked me...

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Partisan Ranger, Nov 24, 2003.

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  1. Partisan Ranger

    Partisan Ranger Member

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    I went to the doctor last week feeling under the weather. During the routine examination, she asked me a few standard questions....

    1. History of heart disease in your family?
    2. History of diabetes?
    3. Are you allergic to any medications?

    etc....and then....

    "Do you have any guns in the home?"

    THAT took me for a loop. She's a very nice lady and a good doctor, so I didn't get indignant.

    "Yes."

    Next question:

    "Are they locked up?"

    "Yes." (Which is true -- I have both pistols in GunVault gun safes, but I let my kid handle my guns when I'm around -- bet THAT wouldn't please her!)

    I guess they ask about guns because she has treated our kid and knows there are kids in the house?

    When did doctors start butting their noses into guns in the house?
     
  2. lee n. field

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    The proper answer is either "none of you business" or "of course".
     
  3. TarpleyG

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    Definitely would have told her it's non of her business because it isn't. Not an attempt to be rude but my physician has no need to know if I have guns at home no more than she needs to know what kind of car I drive or if I have golf clubs in the garage.

    GT
     
  4. FPrice

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    "Are they locked up?"

    My answer, "Why, are you planning to invade my home?".
     
  5. George Hill

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    "No... No guns..."

    I don't need my name on any more "To Do" lists.
     
  6. Bob

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    If you answer this, it goes in your permanent medical record. You have no idea where this information will go. How do I know? I'm a registered nurse.
    My personal view is that this question is out of line. I don't believe they have a right to know, so I have no obligation to answer truthfully.
    Bob
     
  7. 12-34hom

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    My responce would have been - Why do you ask?

    I'm sure all the folks that live around my house are aware that i have firearms.

    But someone who is pretty much a stranger, I would have to have some valid reason before i answered that question.

    12-34hom.
     
  8. TallPine

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    Reason 10,001 to avoid doctors.


    You were feeling "under the weather" ... ? Then you must be depressed.

    You have guns ...? Guess what the next step is ...
     
  9. cidirkona

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    Well, any time you are in a car accident or in any medical legal suit, health insurance, or similar - any company that has the HIPAA rights can get to your files. Granted - most of the time you will still need to give them permission, but your Family Physician or whatever doctor saw you can "CC" any doctors as "Reffering Physicians." These doctors will recieve all 'related' medical information they want about you - aka charts, reports, etc.

    -Colin (from a radiology company in Arizona)
     
  10. AJ Dual

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    A good answer is "Doctor, you know what a boundry violation is, right?"

    That should be all it takes.

    It's an excellent shot across the bow for anyone in the medical profession. Should cause an immediate :what: reaction.

    "Boundary Violations" is excellent medical ethics jargon for a whole host of offenses, mainly "getting too close and personal". It also implies that you're well informed on medical disciplinary oversight and methedology. Any doc that dosen't run for the hills on the topic of guns when they hear those words, or gets argumentative, has other ego issues and they shouldn't be your physician anyway.

    It's also a great response because it pits one portion of medical ethics against another in thier own minds, and may encourage some thought on the matter.
     
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    This came about I believe from some Ins Co originally. Many Medical grps ( various Ns. ,Psych,Drs...etc., not pro gun).

    Personally My Docs I use are shooters, GP, Eyes, Ortho, General Surgeons. As are many of the nurses and other staff. So are my personal ins agents.

    My docs and their nurses don't ask, we are too busy talking guns, holsters, ammo , hunting...RKBA..."anti paper drill " cuts into quality assessment time.( why I'm there and gun stuff)

    Support among like kind is what I practice
     
  12. USGuns

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    Politics...

    That's a political question driven by the AMA and is complete BS and none of there business. As was said before, I'd keep it out of your medical records and say "no" in the future. It's pretty sad, really...
     
  13. ElToro

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    "boundary violation"

    "It's also a great response because it pits one portion of medical ethics against another in thier own minds, and may encourage some thought on the matter."

    yeah it pits their sense of a fat lawsuit and their malpractice premium going into the stratosphere, square against the party line from their superiors... I love it...

    note to self.... "boundary violation" memorize the phrase
     
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    I too will memorize the phraze" boundry violation" should the question ever be asked..
     
  15. Josh

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    I found a pretty good resource from our friends at Doctors for Sensible Gun Laws.

    http://www.dsgl.org/BVD.htm

    Boundry violation. You're darn tootin.

    Josh
     
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    Excellent information, Andrew. I had no idea.

    For those who care to read further, here's a very good article:


     
  17. Partisan Ranger

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    In the future, I'll be better prepared if I am ever asked about guns at a doctor's office again.

    I should probably tell her to delete the info from my record, not that she probably would. :(
     
  18. Spieler

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    I have had three or four different doctors over the past few years and each time I fill out the new patient history forms these questions and the like seem to be there....and I always cross the section out. None of their business and I have never been questioned further on it.
     
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    Boundary Violation

    Very interesting, thanks AndrewWalkowiak.

    Just a basic search on Google
    http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=boundary+violation
    brings some real interesting info.

    Like
    http://www.haciendapub.com/article14.html

    Nice to know that by liking handguns, I am medically afflicted. Even caught up in a devastating epidemic.

    RTFM
     
  20. Nightfall

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    Does the doctor ever ask you about your driving habits? Whether or not you wear safety goggles when operating certain tools? Whether or not you lock your doors at night? Then why the hell should they know whether you provide for your own defense?

    ‘Boundary violation' sounds good...
     
  21. TheeBadOne

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    Most of my Docs hunt & fish, some with me. :D
     
  22. fish2xs

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    DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!!!

    Those of you that have kids.... WATCH OUT!

    Some doctors offices give kids a form to fill out and give directly back to the nurse, without
    any parent ever being aware of it! This is done under the guise of uncovering domestic
    abuse. If red flags go up, the state gets involved. Some questions can include:

    "Have you ever been in a car driven by someone who has been drinking?"
    (Hmmm.. Dad did have a glass of wine at the resteraunt last night)

    "Do your parents fight?"
    (Oh no, that never happens.)

    and our personal favorite:

    "Is there a gun in your house?"

    My daughter got this at a doctor's visit when she was 14. Luckily she's savvy enough
    to have 'properly' answered the questions.

    Personally, I just tell them what they want to hear (ie. 'no guns').
     
  23. Spackler

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    I've never had a doctor ask me that question. My "primary care physician", as they insurance company calls him, is pro-gun and carries on a regular basis. We usually spend a few minutes talking about firearms each time I see him.
     
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    Get any flak for gun ownership as them how many people in their profession have killed patients from prescription medication, complications from surgerie...etc. They will change the tone real fast.
     
  25. RustyHammer

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    "Well, Doc ...... as long as we're getting to know each other better, let me ask you THIS ...... are yours real or are they silicon?"

    :D
     
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