gun at the ready while home

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  1. CDW4ME

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    I live in a "good area" so I don't "need" a gun accessible at home, walking a 144# dog, or a quick trip to the store.:evil::barf:
    Crap that. :neener:
    Excepting sleep, shower, Soloflex, I've got at least a Glock 23 on my belt despite that I live in a "good area" with two big dogs (GSD, Bullmastiff).
    Why not a pocket 32/380? Because (at least) a Glock 23 would be preferred in hand should I have to defend myself. ;)
     
  2. Armored farmer

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    Bad things happen in good neighborhoods. Those that have the mindset that 'Well that'll never happen here' are only deluding themselves. I live in one and as a caregiver for my folks I always have a gun readily accessible. That, and insuring that the home is as secure as I can possibly make it give for peace of mind.
     
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    On my side of the couch between it and the end table there is a baseball cap lying on the floor, as if it has just been taken off and dropped there. Under it is a Glock loaded with 15 rounds of 40 caliber Federal HST. That’s my home invasion gun.

    If I happen to be wearing my “going to town” pants I will have my normal carry gun IWB. Since I bought an LCP a couple of years ago it stays in the pocket of my “working around the house” pants. So in answer to the question: yes, I generally have rapid access to a firearm of some sort around the house.
     
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    About a year ago, I was turning out the lights etc about 3am one Saturday night and was about to turn the tv off when I heard a "tink' on the sliding glass door---even the cat looked over---I didn't think much about and thought it was a junebug or something and went to bed. Waking up the next morning, I found the latch was broken but it held---went to home depot and promptly fixed it along with placing a bar behind the door.

    Had they gotten in they would have been on the receiving end of a S&W .38 that is kept by the couch-----I kept a gun close but I'm even more vigilant about it now. The door is about 8 feet from where I sit on the couch---things would have happened real fast. Good thing I wasn't asleep.
     
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  6. 230RN
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    Siempre contigo, as the Spanish say when closing a friendly letter.

    In addition to bangy stuff, years ago I found 10" kitchen knives at the dollar store for less than $2 each, bought a dozen of them, and squirreled them away around the house JIC.

    Senior apartment building, no need to worry about kids.

    Now true knificionados will say, "Useless, lousy steel, won't hold an edge, will rust, ugly, ergonomically challenged," etc. etc.

    All true.

    But they will only be used once and hopefully never. Besides, as the saying goes, knives are useful for fighting your way to a handgun, and handguns are useful for fighting your way to a rifle, which is useful for fighting your way to a shotgun.

    And they'll penetrate gelatin better ( 10" ) than a .380 Golden Sabre 102 grain bullet ( 9.4" ).

    <Whew.> <eyeroll emoticon> =D

    Terry, 230RN

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    Chuck Hawks deserves a highly honored place in firearms history, perhaps even alongside Hatcher.
     
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  7. GBExpat

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    In a DeSantis Nemesis holster in the right rear pocket of my 501s.

    The actual handgun varies (PF9, G42, G43, G30S, XDs, Bulldog.44) but it is always with me.

    As I type this my XDs Mod2 is in its Nemesis on the table beside me. :)
     
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  8. Armored farmer

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    With grandkids in and out, all my guns are locked up except my ccw which is on me, and this AR is located in a centralized closet on the ground level. This one is my general purpose farm rifle with weapon light and offset irons. The whole family knows how to run it. 20210523_072116.jpg my sp101 and S&W 66 hang out in the safe too.
     
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    Same here. On when I wake, and off at bedtime, with my gun in its holster, on my pants beside the bed "fireman style", all ready to go.

    No matter how close you might think the gun is, you arent armed, if you arent armed. ;)
     
  10. Ru4real

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    I keep all of my guns unloaded and stored in my locked walk-in gun room. Cannot be too safe.

    That is, except for one little loaded S&W Bodyguard with a laser at my bedside.
    And a loaded Mossberg 930 semi-auto with 8 of 00 buck down stairs.
    And a loaded Springfield XDs Mod 2 in 45 ACP with a spare mag on top of fridge.
    And a loaded Tanfoglio 6” slide in 45 ACP with spare mag.
    And a loaded Kimber Target II in 45 ACP with spare mag.

    Cannot be too prepared.
     
  11. Navy87Guy

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    I carry whenever I go out, and often the gun stays on when I get home, but not always. I have two quick access safes, one upstairs and one downstairs, plus my main safe in the office where I work daily. Although it is not a 100% solution, I am never more than about 10 steps from 2 second access to a gun. We do have a German shepherd who certainly alerts us anytime someone is on our property.

    That’s balanced by the fact that we live in a very rural and safe area that is relatively remote. While there is never a guarantee, the odds of a home invasion are low but not zero. The town next to us recently had an “armed and dangerous” fugitive roaming around for a few days. I’ve thought through the options and scenarios, and I’m comfortable with my set up. (I should also add that my wife is not a “gun person”, so she won’t touch one.)
     
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  12. JohnKSa

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    Two things to consider when picking a knife for self-defense.

    1. Will the knife hold up to the use for which it is intended--even if it's to be used only once?

    2. Is there something in the knife design that will reliably keep hands/fingers from sliding down on the blade. Many a knife murder has been solved by DNA matching blood left at the scene when the attacker cut himself with his own knife. This kind of injury can be really nasty--it's definitely something you want to avoid.

    A few other things to consider:

    1. Knives disable two ways: Physically damaging a limb (cutting through a tendon/ligament or muscle) to the point that it won't operate properly, or by severe blood loss. The former is more difficult than it might seem. The latter can take a significant amount of time during which things could be very unpleasant for the defender. Even really wimpy firearm calibers provide at least SOME possibility of an instant stop via a CNS hit. Not saying it's likely, but it's a possibility--which is something to consider.

    2. Knives are contact weapons. If you can injure an attacker while they are still out of arms reach, that's tremendously preferable to having to go hands on. Also, if the other person has a gun, they may be able to incapacitate you at a distance before a contact weapon can be brought to bear. Contact weapons are great when nothing else is available.

    3. I don't have a link to the study by Gary Kleck any more, but I'll quote it anyway from one of my old posts: Resisting violent crime with a knife is one of the top 3 strategies that are most likely to result in injury. The only two strategies in the study that were worse than resisting with a knife were resisting with your bare hands, or trying to frighten the attacker off/call for help. According to the study, resisting with a firearm was the best strategy for remaining uninjured.
    While I can't recall ever having heard of a non-LEO self-defense encounter where a person actually did use handgun to fight their way to a long gun, it does make sense that, in general, a long gun is going to be more effective than a handgun.

    However, there are really good reasons why a person might be unable to carry a long gun, or have one immediately available. Much harder to come up with a reason why it's not possible to carry a handgun or to have one immediately available but still be able to have a 10" kitchen knife handy.

    All that to say that I wouldn't recommend making knives a first line of defense unless there's some reason that firearms can't fill that position. As a backup or last ditch self-defense weapon to be used after a firearm runs dry or in situations where firearms aren't available? Sure.

    And, for whatever it's worth, I do own some defensive knives, have some edged weapon training, and certainly am not trying to argue that they can't be used effectively for self-defense. Just that it's important to understand their limitations.
     
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    Such as these (see below) you mean?

    My hypothesis is that the more knowledgeable you are, the more situationally aware that you are and the more prepared you are .... the better chance you have of protecting your loved-ones and yourself in these modern/unstable times ... because crazy things are happening all around us and ignoring that fact is like the proverbial ostrich with its head in the sand friend.

    These are just a few, of 1000s, of good examples of what triggered the OP to ask the question ... and it is a good question. This happens multiple times a day, every single day, in this country.







     
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    I am also armed almost 24/7. I have a fashion line of weapons for all occasions:
    Shotgun and 9mm are hidden but easy access while in bed.
    At the bare minimum my .380 is in a belly or ankle holster.
    When is the shower this is still close by.
    My .357 is in a belted rig that stays in my dresser. I can throw it on quickly if for some reason I don't want the .380.
    I have a CZ52 with leather holster and custom belt that goes with me on mower, tractor, or outside my coveralls when hunting.
    .38 with rat shot is added when I'm fishing. Considered getting a Judge for this, may still.
    Of course a .40 or 9mm is my preferred cary weapon when clothing will allow.
    If for some odd reason I didn't have a weapon on me, I have pepper spray and knives hidden out of kids reach near each door and at least one gun hidden in each room of the house which all the adult family members know about and how to use.
    I also have a gun hidden in my shop.
    If my dog gives me enough warning time to access my gun safe, that's a whole different ballgame.
     
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    My area has gone from. If you forget to lock the door. When going out on a errand. No big deal. To make sure you always lock up. Even for a walk around the block. I have a gun neer all the time now. I have an under the keyboard try mount. With a .380 in it. It's pointed at an angle. Where someone may be standing threatening me. All i have to do is reach under and pull the trigger. Pistol and shot gun handy in the bedroom. I have installed steel entry doors with a steel frame too. I have some security bars coming for the lower windows. And we have our 2 pittys and a ankle bitter.
     
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    On me or near me almost always, like others, not in the shower but there is one nearby.

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  17. Kleanbore

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    I cannot understand that reasoning at all.

    I know very few people who watch such videos,, and I cannot see ay disadvantage in doing so.
     
  18. 230RN
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    All of the above is well thought out for individual situations. And let me ask all those who might think this is just paranoid nonsense: Is it paranoid to have fire extinguishers handy?

    JohnKSa's discussion here is perfectly relevant to knives for defense:

    https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?posts/11941248/

    All true, and yes, I too have considered all that, and thank you. But "in an abundance of caution" (as the current saying goes), I have to remember that the intimidation factor of having a 10" (or any) blade in hand, held low, cutting edge up, is significant. (Doesn't that make you instinctively grab your junk? :) )

    (And, just to be a wise guy, I point out that so is the intimidation factor of the sound of a .25 ACP going off . :) )

    Anyhow, threads like this come up every once in a while, and that's a good thing.

    And if worse comes to the very very worst, I always have my cane and my teeth.

    Parting shot: Self defense is a universal right, not limited to human beings. Even kittens carry concealed weapons all the time, even while sleeping or on your lap purring.

    Terry, 230RN
     
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    Fire Extinguishers are a great analogy ... or is that a metaphor? A parable? I dunno. Still, great comparison and highly associative ... both kept close, in the home, to help prevent possible disaster if not death.

    Hopefully neither will ever be needed but ... insurance.

    And yep ... we humans are not equipped with massive fangs, keen senses of smell and sight or superhuman strength so therefore we must equip ourselves with machines or devices that afford us super powers. Knives, guns, NVDs, pepper spray, whatever is affordable and apropos based upon one's specific needs.

    How does the old equality saying go?

    "God created man, Sam Colt made them equal."
     
  20. Kleanbore

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    That will depend on the situation.

    In my case, I am not trained to use a blade safely, effectively, or lawfully in self defense.
     
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    I am not trained to use a baseball bat safely, effectively, or "lawfully" in self defense, either. Nevertheless....

    I am not clear on what you meant by "lawfully" in self defense. "In reasonable fear of severe bodily harm or death" is the general rubric for that, with "reasonable" covering the duty to retreat in many states. (And excepting "mutual combat" provisions.)

    I take note of the fact that this is drifting into a general self defense thread versus a pure "guns for defense" thread.

    Guidance from the staff and the original poster requested.

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    That addresses the justifcation for threatening or using deadly force in the first place.

    Attorney Lisa Steele explains that in a lawful act of self defense, the actor may use no more force than is reasonably necessary.

    I am not trained in how to do that with a blade.

    ...or in how to use one safely and effectively, for that matter.
     
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    In my blade oriented SD courses, the emphasis was to use the knife to:
    a. Aid in an escape by forcing a release in an entangled situation
    b. Disable limb use by appropriate targeting.

    Directly lethal targeting was not covered. Folks with professional reasons for such could take more advanced courses after vetting. Of course, blade strikes can be lethal.

    Getting a little too old for this. Got an interesting injury in one. Screwed up a hand for awhile.
     
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    ^,^ Thanks, Kleanbore, now I understand what you were getting at. But amusingly, that brings up the question of how deeply you can reasonably shove in the 10" blade.

    Fun for lawyers for the ages of nine to ninety.

    Maybe we can resolve that legislatively.

    Yeah, I'm just being facetious for the sake of a graveyard joke, so forget it. :rofl:

    Shame on me.
     
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  25. JohnKSa

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    I'm just not sure about the intimidation factor of a knife of any size, regardless of how it's held to a bad guy with a gun. A good guy with a gun has to worry about the law and the complications that shooting someone with a contact weapon can bring. They might hold off and try to get the knife-wielder to give up or leave. A bad guy has no such concerns and can start blazing away as soon as they see something that worries them at all.

    At the most basic level, there are three scenarios of a defender armed with a knife against a single attacker.
    1. Attacker unarmed.
    2. Attacker armed with a contact weapon.
    3. Attacker armed with a gun.

    My assessment (for me) is that two of those scenarios have a huge potential for a negative outcome--even if I survive, the chance of serious injury is very high. The remaining scenario is less horrible, in terms of the likelihood of serious injury, but still not great.

    Then we get into the possibility of there being multiple attackers and that makes me even less enthusiastic about my chances of not going to the hospital or the morgue.

    Everyone looks at things differently (not that the actual reality is necessarily that different--I'm just saying that risk assessment is generally fairly personal) but my personal feeling is that while I like knives, have decent self-defense knives and always have a knife handy, I would never put myself in a situation where I was relying on a knife as a self-defense weapon over a handgun.
     
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