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Gun ban in England makes it a happy place...

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by HUMONGO, May 10, 2007.

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  1. HUMONGO

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    http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007210244,00.html

    Teenager is shot for his Xbox

    By MIKE SULLIVAN
    May 08, 2007


    COMMENT ON THIS STORY

    A TEENAGER was shot three times when robbers burst into his home — to steal his Xbox.

    They put a pistol in his mouth and threatened to shoot unless he handed over the £280 games console.

    A struggle broke out as he went to fetch the Microsoft Xbox 360 and the victim, 18, was blasted point-blank.

    One of the alleged robbers, 17, was stabbed. Both were last night “stable” in hospital.

    It is thought to be the first time in Britain anybody has been shot for a games console.

    A police spokesman said: “It’s fortunate the young man who was shot didn’t die.”

    A source added: “You’re talking somebody being robbed and shot in their home for a games console. It’s the sort of thing you’d expect in America, not here. The violence used was extreme.”

    Cops have appealed for anyone who saw two or three black men, one bleeding badly, after last Wednesday’s 3pm attack in Sydenham, South London.

    They bailed one youth, aged 18, after the robbery.

    The Xbox shooting follows a spate of robberies earlier this year after Sony released its PlayStation 3 console at games stores across Britain.

    Crooks swooped on fans as soon as they left shops after the midnight launch.

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    Once again, if you outlaw guns, then only outlaws...something, something.
     
  2. El Tejon

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    A lot of swooping going on in the UK.:scrutiny:
     
  3. Waywatcher

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    Apparently the crooks didn't get the memo that their guns are illegal.
     
  4. romma

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    :confused: Only bad things like this happen in America!... That bad ole place with those bad ole gun-totin' meanies!!! Every time the logic these people use to support gun control is defied, the more I love my country for all it's good and even not so good qualities. At least here, there is still an ample amount of reality based people. For the most part.
     
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    I call B.S. on this story.

    Everyrone knows that guns are illegal in England, so it couldn't have happened.

    (If you can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals on an island, how would you ever keep guns out of the hands of criminals on a continent?)
     
  6. kellyj00

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    Amazing how vague the story is.
    "A source" says that this kinda thing happens in America.
    Also, if it were good journalism they would have stated more details on how the home invasion occured, through door/window etc.
     
  7. SkiLune

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    Britain has a far higher incidence of violent crime than does the USA.
     
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    It did say they burst in to the home. Maybe they breached the door with explosives. You know, since guns are illegal, they had to do something to intimidate their victim. :rolleyes:

    I especially like how one of the attackers was stabbed, presumably, with an illegal knife.
     
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    They are trading guns for Xbox's in Mexico, but trading bullets for Xboxs in England. Which country is more messed up.:neener:
     
  10. Dimensio

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    That isn't accurate. The US has a higher violent crime rate than the UK, and it always has. The notable trend is that the US's violent crime rate has been steadily decreasing over the last 40 years, while the UK's crime rate has been increasing.

    Basically, the difference in the violent crime rates in the US and the UK has been shrinking steadly, while at the same time gun laws in the US have become (arguably) more relaxed and gun laws in the UK have decidedly become much more restrictive. Don't tell a gun-grabber that the UK has a higher violent crime rate than the US; it's false and they'll call you out on it. Instead, point out the change in the crime rates over time (US = decreasing; UK = increasing). They'll sputter and stammer something about the UK trend being "skewed" since 2005 (nevermind that the trend has been going on since 1969), but have no real honest reply.

    Also, any word on whether the crime victim will be charged in the stabbing of one of the thugs?
     
  11. anidar

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    A TEENAGER was shot three times when robbers burst into his home
    A struggle broke out as he went to fetch the Microsoft Xbox 360 and the victim, 18, was blasted point-blank.
    One of the alleged robbers, 17, was stabbed. Both were last night “stable” in hospital.


    Shot three times was it wrong caliber or bad shot placement? :eek:
     
  12. The Law

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    There's also a U.N. victim study showing much higher violent crime in the U.K. and Australia compared to the U.S.

    http://www.unicri.it/wwd/analysis/icvs/pdf_files/key2000i/pdf/08-icvs-h2.pdf

    [​IMG]

    The only category of violent crime the U.S. exceeds Europe/Canada is murder, and I believe that is basically because of drug dealers offing each other--not something law-abiding citizens get caught up in often.
     

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    The data mainly shows discrepancies in crime reporting between countries. The British data post-1998 includes a wider range of offences and also throws "alleged" offences into the mix. This explains some or all of the apparent "increase". Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

    A more compelling study would be one that shows that gun crime isn't coupled with gun laws. This data does exist. I'll see if I can dig it up.

    Point is still that strict gun laws don't make a country safer.
     
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    I've seen the studies with the raw data. Murder rates in the USA are higher per capita, while violent crime (rape, murder, assaults, etc.) are significantly higher in England and Australia.

    I found the John Lott article that discusses this, and stand by my assertion that violent crime is more prevalent in Britain.

    http://johnrlott.tripod.com/op-eds/IBDGunConFailure.html
     
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    :barf: Yup. Because Americans and Brits are two different species. I thought we were all humans, and that humans are a fallen race--but I'm some kind of nut who reads outdated garbage like the Bible.

    --Len.
     
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    I think you're confusing crime rates and absolute numbers.

    There are more violent crimes in the US, but we also have 5 times the population of the UK*, so the number of violent crimes per 100,000 population is much greater in the UK even though the absolute number of crimes is lower.



    *USA ~300,000,000
    UK ~ 60,000,000
     
  18. Fosbery

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    The UK does in fact have a higher rate of violent crime than the US by any measure.

    If these figures are invalid then one can't very well say that the opposite is true when any proof provided, if there were any, would be invalid.

    On the article itself:

    I'm suprised nobody picked up on the fact that the victim fought back and STABBED his attacker, despite getting shot for his trouble. Good on him.
     
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    There are comparability issues with the statistics compiled by each nation, but even the Mirror agreed reluctantly that violent crime is higher in the UK than in the USA. Link below. Quote from the article (by the Reason Foundation, a libertarian leaning US Think Tank), from which one could argue that perhaps Britain's murder rate is actually higher than that of the US:

    "The murder rates of the U.S. and U.K. are also affected by differences in the way each counts homicides. The FBI asks police to list every homicide as murder, even if the case isn't subsequently prosecuted or proceeds on a lesser charge, making the U.S. numbers as high as possible. By contrast, the English police "massage down" the homicide statistics, tracking each case through the courts and removing it if it is reduced to a lesser charge or determined to be an accident or self-defense, making the English numbers as low as possible."

    Full article: http://www.reason.com/news/show/28582.html
     
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    I feel safer in the US than I ever have in the UK.
     
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    Definitely.
     
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    Do you or anyone else know what happend in 1998 or close to that date in Britain? I know that Britain has go extremely strict gun laws have they been tightened at that time?
    The rise after this point is really dramatic so something must have happened.
     
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    Yea, and expect him to be sued for doing so. My family is all from England (Yorkshire, in the northern UK) and I remember my Aunt noting an incident where someone broke into someone’s house with a knife, and received a brutal beating via golf club. :D The intruder proceeded to sue the homeowner and won! :uhoh:

    The UK has been clamping down on gun laws, as well as other laws, by which citizens may defend themselves. Not to mention silly cases such as above which only further erode their ability to defend themselves. From what I gather in speaking to my family, the UK has been flooded by refugees from places such as Pakistan, and these immigrants tend to live together, creating ethnic neighborhoods that have generated crime and drug problems. These neighborhoods have also lead to increasing racism. This combination is extremely volatile, and I’m sure we can expect to see more of such crimes in the UK.

    :banghead:
     
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    1911 Shooter said:

    I believe it.

    If you click on the link to the Reason Foundation article on violent crime in Britain, you will see several examples of people who defended themselves from violent criminals being sued by the crooks. In one case, the State actually provided funding to the criminal to pursue the case.
     
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    In the US, the same guys busting in the door would probably be saying hello to some 230 gr "you're not wanted here"...
     
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