Gun Ban Needed To Prevent Ex-Cops /Military From Murdering People With Guns

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This article made me want to vomit. It is just amazing at how people who put their lives on the line to protect our country and give us freedom are now treated like criminals . According to Dan Turner of the LA Times, he claims most former military suffer from PTSD, as well as many ex-cops, such as the ex-LAPD officer Chris Dorner, who is wanted for the murder of two other police officers. According, to this LA Times author, it was the availability of guns that turned this man into a ravaging psycho and if we had stricter gun control none of these crimes would be committed. He especially is adamant that we need to disarm all former military and ex-law enforcement.

This man has basically insulted all our military and law enforcement, as well as our Constitution and law-abiding gun owners. Somehow, he believes the government machine will protect us from ourselves, especially if we happened to be previous members of the military or police, which he claims "makes us even more dangerous people".

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion...un-control-20120207,0,3471054.story?track=rss
 
I think I get it. Guns need to be banned because the police can be trusted to protect us, At least until the paycheck stops and then they become raving psychos that need to be disarmed. :scrutiny: :confused:
 
On the other hand. . .

The argument against a large standing armed force, either nationally in our Armed Forces or locally in the terms of State and local "law enforcement", is exactly the same as the argument for the 2nd Amendment. Now, before the hate begins, that is not an attack on any individual soldier, marine, officer or trooper any more than being pro Bill of Rights is an attack on any individual politician. It is a strong statement that we must be ever vigilant in watching and not quite trusting our government.

What is the relavence here? I believe we should be insisting, as part of the larger "gun control" debate, that law enforcement, local, state and national be under exactly the same restrictions as the populace.
 
Wait, I thought the cops and military were the only ones "properly trained" in their use.

Which is it?
 
If PTSD'ed out vets are so dangerous, I am surprised our country has survived this long. The years after World War II should have wiped us all out.
 
So war hero's are all potential criminals and not to be trusted now

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The anti-gunners make me sick. Not only is this event not even finished yet the cop hasn't even been buried and they are taking advantage of the situation. Never wasting a good tragedy is the anti-gunners creed.


And now they are basically saying every vet is a time-bomb waiting to happen. I guess that will be their next reason for gun control....killer vets coming back from the war.


Sure they defended this country, but now they are all potential killers with PTSD.



http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion...un-control-20120207,0,3471054.story?track=rss



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Gun control debate creeps into ex-cop manhunt


By Paul Thornton

February 7, 2013, 2:01 p.m.

Letters reacting to the search for Christoper Jordan Dorner, the disgruntled former Los Angeles Police Department officer suspected of a double homicide and the shooting three police officers, are finding their way into The Times' mailbag. Surprisingly, only one of those letters discusses the manhunt for Dorner, and the rest connect the shootings to the hot-button issue of the last few months: gun control.

"The only thing worse than a man determined to commit 'suicide by cop' is when that man is himself a heavily armed ex-cop. The Dorner manhunt will stir up memories of the racially motivated Long-Island Railroad murderer, the response to whom brought badly needed gun laws to the U.S., which the GOP gradually dismantled.

"There are more than 60,000 troops returning to the U.S. from places like Afghanistan, all of them well-versed in firearms. Many of them will suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder. America needs specific firearms bans of the kind that the president and vice president are proposing, and needs them yesterday."

"Nevertheless, police say Dorner went berserk, tragically leaving a fatal shooting spree in his wake. Whether or not stricter gun-control laws could have stopped this rampage, I implore our legislators to pass them. Fewer guns equals fewer shootings. It's a matter of common sense."
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This is why I don't like the "mental health" crap they're trying to put in the new gun laws. Far to broad of a term and ripe for abuse considering ObamaCare will be your health insurer. OCD? DENIED! :uhoh:

PTSD doesn't mean a person is or will become homicidal. They certainly are trying to put fear and paranoia into everyone aren't they. Whatever it takes to make the world how they want it.
 
Yup we may go berserk because of our PTSD. It's amazing what the little pansies run their mouths about. The liberals get away with calling us un-American, Extremists, Racists, et... Personally anyone who is trying to subvert or destroy our Constitution are the worthless un-American scum. I'm trying real hard not to say it the way I want to (I've already been warned). I am just getting tired of these pompous bottom feeders getting away with what ever they want, but citizens that believe in the Constitution get called every disrespectful derogative. Sorry if I'm not making much sense just getting really sick of all the crap. The Lib's need to pull up their big boy and girl pants and deal with the fact we aren't giving up $#!t.
 
The whole article isn't about disarming the government machine, it's about disarming those who leave the government machine and become "dangerous citizens with guns". The point being made, is that only those who are currently serving in the government can be trusted. That is according to this goon LA times writer. This has nothing about making the military equal to the citizenry or fulfilling the 2nd Amendment. Quite the contrary, this person believes citizens who served in the military or as law enforcement should have even less rights than regular citizens. He feels that once they leave their profession and have done their duty, that they automatically turn into deranged psychos suffering from PTSD.
 
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There are no definitive boundaries that outline what is mental illness that is guaranteed to lead to violence and what isn't. Schizophrenia doesn't necessarily make you a violent person. PTSD doesn't either. It's such a nebulous term that it essentially gives carte blanche to busybodies that want to draw arbitrary lines in the sand to create groups of haves and have-nots. These same arguments were being paraded around shortly after Chris Kyle's untimely death.

It's similar to how the FCC defines "indecency". That is, there is no definition. You'll just have to say things on TV or radio and hope they don't find you guilty of being indecent and fine you.
 
''Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State...''

-Heinrich Himmler, Nazi Leader

I think that reporter [Dan Turner of the LA Times] would agree in spirit with Evergreen's Himmler qoute...!
 
They are trying to set the narrative because there is a gun control angle, but not the one they would like to emphasize. If you lived in the neighborhood where the killer is on the run would you rather be armed with an AR or a sturdy skillet as you sit in your house and wait for the cops to catch him? The media doesn't want the average Joe asking himself that question.
 
THIS makes me crazy. Vets and retired LEOs should be awarded CCW's upon application [I'm old enough that I remember when they were, even some counties here in California] and ought to be our most trusted citizens.
 
I lived in Los Angeles for 36 years. During that time I subscribed to the Los Angeles Times for 30 of those years. The L.A. Times has called for the banning and confiscation of ALL firearms from the worker peasants and serfs, for the past 45 years, without cease, without reason, without logic, without regard whatsoever for the United States Constitution, nor the millions of millions of honest gunowners who never, ever, abuse their Right to own firearms.

The "liberal progressives" who control the Times do not believe that the worker peasants and serfs even have a Right to self defense, but if attacked, must beg for mercy from the merciless.

The L.A. Times also supports every left wing cause that "liberal progressives" want to pass, Federal, State, and local.

Do not ever think that the L.A. Times, biased to the far left, will change. It won't.

L.W.
 
The whole article isn't about disarming the government machine, it's about disarming those who leave the government machine and become "dangerous citizens with guns". The point being made, is that only those who are currently serving in the government can be trusted. That is according to this goon LA times writer. This has nothing about making the military equal to the citizenry or fulfilling the 2nd Amendment. Quite the contrary, this person believes citizens who served in the military or as law enforcement should have even less rights than regular citizens. He feels that once they leave their profession and have done their duty, that they automatically turn into deranged psychos suffering from PTSD.
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It's like the Christopher Dorner situation has just clued the moron behind the keyboard into the fact that we live in a world where there are wolves, and there are sheep, and there are sheep dogs in between . . . but the only significant difference in the skill set for a wolf and a sheep dog is how those skills are applied.

Man, the grown-up world is scary. Sometimes I wish I could wander around with the naivete of a six year old, too . . .
 
Yeah, I read his manifesto. He says the LAPD is full of corruption but trusts the US government fully. Yeah, his anti-rant began at the end of page ten, I think. I find it contradictory that he is using arms in his efforts to fight a corrupt police department, but then says they should all be banned. That makes no sense.
 
I hear his manifesto praises Obama, Feinstein, Morgan and gun control. So maybe we need gun control for Obama supporters. The rest of us can stay free.
 
ApacheCoTodd said:
Wait, I thought the cops and military were the only ones "properly trained" in their use.
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(Sarcasm noted)

Why don't we ask the three people were just shot at (two hit, one seriously) by panicked, trigger-happy police officers in Torrance, CA?
 
BHP FAN said:
THIS makes me crazy. Vets and retired LEOs should be awarded CCW's upon application [I'm old enough that I remember when they were, even some counties here in California] and ought to be our most trusted citizens.
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Nah, just like everybody else, there are good ones and bad ones. Bad people will always be able to obtain firearms, illegally if necessary, so at the very least good people should be allowed to have the same firearms in order to protect themselves from bad people.
 
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