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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Yo Mama, Nov 8, 2019.

  1. bearcreek

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    Maybe, maybe not. In this case we'll probably never know.
    True. If put in the same position as the OP, I'd bet that he was just an ignorant and/or unskilled, untrained "good" guy.
     
  2. TJ AK-74

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    So, if he is LEO, and you mention to him that you see him carrying, you've now let a LEO know that you were willing to NOT report someone that you thought was illegally carrilying in a GFZ... Don't see anything positive coming out of that. Better to just mind your own business.

    And, LEO or not, who cares if someone is possibly violating an illegal law? It's total BS that the school district can take YOUR tax money to build a building and then tell you that you can't carry a gun there. If a private school, you're willingly giving them your money, and it is their private property, but still a stupid law that I would have no problem if someone decided not to follow it.
     
  3. Alte Schule

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    Friend of mine wears an insulin pump on his right hip and it's usually covered with an untucked shirt or jacket.
    It's been mistaken for a concealed firearm a couple of times.
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  4. Old Dog

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    Well, it appears that this forum is currently afflicted with a number of internet would-be revolutionaries who do not really understand jurisprudence. Lemme 'splain: simply because we might not agree with a law does not make that law "illegal." It would probably amaze you that many, many (otherwise) reasonable citizens actually agree with laws prohibiting carry of firearms in our nation's schools, public and private.

    Anyway, the OP's initial question, as I read it, was merely, do we have a responsibility to help out our fellow 2A supporters, or do we let them go on their merry way and possibly incur misfortune?

    A discussion of whether the law in question is actually unjust, unConstitutional or "illegal" is moot at this point. Some of you need to get off the computer and get out into your community and socialize a bit, in person, maybe ...
     
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  5. denton

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    Not a problem here in Utah. If you have a permit, you're ok to carry inside any public school.

    Printing? Definitely bad form, but not illegal here.
     
  6. TJ AK-74

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    Old Dog:
    I realize that MY opinion of the law is not the determining factor of what is or is not illegal.

    And I am not amazed to know that many many reasonable citizens think that guns don't belong in schools. Would it surprise you that a couple centuries ago that many many otherwise reasonable citizens thought it was totally ok to own other people? And that the SCOTUS actually upheld that opinion? Just because everyone else agrees with it doesn't mean it's right.

    And FYI, I socialize IN PERSON with many people of all different socio-economic, political, racial, and geographic backgrounds on a daily basis. I am literally the most Libertarian far-right person that I know, but some of my best friends are actually Democrats, so don't assume that I'm some backwoods hermit that only ever interacts with people at the biannual Hermits Association Meeting.
     
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  7. Old Dog

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    And finally, when otherwise lawfully-carrying licensed citizens get caught breaking laws, it serves only to harm the RKBA movement, and does nothing to support it. There are plenty of other citizens abounding (much less those who are decidedly anti-gun) who will conclude that even licensed citizens can't be trusted to obey laws.

    There is a time and a place for civil disobedience, and knowingly violating gun laws, at this point and time, is not one of them. These situations are not a "no harm, no foul" deal; we are at a tenuous point in this country with regard to gun rights, and letting even one of our own run afoul of any of the (admittedly unnecessary) laws is not good. Do we have a duty to call one of our brother's indiscretions to his attention, lest he get in trouble? I'd say, yes, if the opportunity is there and we can do it tactfully and discreetly.
     
  8. bearcreek

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    When and where is that?
     
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    When Beto becomes president. :notworthy:
     
  10. taliv

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    “Just because we don’t agree with a law doesn’t make it illegal.”

    That is largely irrelevant.

    What is relevant is probably your point that my belief doesn’t remove the potential Consequences if caught.

    Also relevant is that when many laws flagrantly and habitually violate the 1st 2nd 4th and other amendments, I have absolutely no moral or ethical duty to follow those laws.

    I would let the guy know.
    However I walk around printing all the time. Not exactly intentionally. T-shirt and shorts in the summer in Tennessee. Open carry is legal here and lots of people do that. I always pull my shirt over it and if it’s a tight shirt I’m sure it prints. Nobody ever mentioned anything. Point being there is a chance he’s aware he’s printing and doesn’t care.
     
  11. Kleanbore

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    Yes indeed!
     
  12. Old Dog

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    Then you've missed the point -- and the entire issue, as well as the questioned posed by the OP. Point being, he's in a place where he's not supposed to be carrying, even with a license. Open carry IS legal here -- but not in schools.
     
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    I didn’t miss it. I said I would have told him.
     
  14. Trunk Monkey

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    So what happens if he is aware that he's printing and doesn't care and I shoot off my mouth that him?
     
  15. bearcreek

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    There are a few possibilities there. (Assuming the OP was correct about him not being LE)
    1. (Most likely) He knew he was printing but didn't know or forgot that carry there was illegal. He'll probably say "whoops" I'll fix that.
    2. (Less likely) He knew he was printing and knew that carry was illegal but didn't have any ill intent and just wanted to make a statement or some sort of jackassery. You'll probably get some sort of rude response.
    3. (Extremely unlikely) He knew he was printing and he had nefarious intent. It's game on. If you're close enough to talk to him about it you're also close enough to limit some of his advantage in having a firearm. Hopefully your empty hand combatives are up to snuff.
     
  16. RETG

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    You missed a point too, if he is in LE it might be legal! Therefore, you cannot say he is not supposed to be carrying! And I still question how the OP knew he was not LE, when he says he didn't know him, but did talk to him and I still say undercover LE will not disclose what the do for a living; especially, if in deep cover.

    And I still fail to see where the OP has stated it was in the state of Washington.

    I'm done commenting on a thread that leaves too many questions unanswered by the OP and assumptions by too many!
     
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    Well, as the bargirls in Olongapo City used to say, "Bye bye you."

    Oh, eh, the OP remarked several times in at least three or four posts that he knows the guy isn't in law enforcement. As it is, I believe the intent was to question what would/should one do, assuming (you're right, I'm making an assumption) if one sees something like this, and knows/believes the individual to be simply a licensed citizen.

    As far as his location, he's noted in older posts that he was in Washington; I was not referring to this thread. We've got a fairly small THR community up here.

    One would also assume that if someone was in "deep cover" they would probably prefer not to be inadvertently exposing a concealed firearm ... particularly if picking up their child (part of their cover?) from school.

    Ah, well.
     
  18. Waveski

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    Ditto - I got to that point 2 pages back.
     
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    Replies in this thread show why statements like "I print but nobody cares or says anything" are worthless.
    It does not imply oblivion because nobody says anything.
     
  20. Trunk Monkey

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    There's a lot of Truth to that
     
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    I believe that only another person who carries would even think of a gun.
     
  22. bearcreek

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    Other people who carry, like criminals and cops, are exactly the type of people to be aware of in that sort of situation.
     
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    I support the Second Amendment, however I do also comply with existing laws. Just because one doesn't agree with a law doesn't make that law invalid. As my livelihood is predicated on me not becoming a prohibited person by way of tripping over some charge trumped up against me unless I have tons of money to pay lawyers to fight it for me, I choose to fight the laws working within the law writing legislators, for example.

    First off, believing a law is unjust or in violation of the Constitution doesn't make the law invalid and unenforceable until it's been completely adjudicated and "ratified" if you will by the SCOTUS. You can still be arrested, go to jail, become a prohibited person (depending on what "invalid" law is being violated), spend a ton of money on lawyers to defend yourself and maybe, in the end, be proved right.

    And, when you quoted my post and then edited it down to the part where I said I wondered why someone would carry in violation of existing laws you edited out my suggested reasons why someone would do so.

    True, and I hope I never reach mine. That would mean that all faith I have in this country whose uniform I wore was no longer valid. Gods forbid we ever get to that point.
     
  24. bearcreek

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    In hindsight, I should have used a different word. I certainly did not mean that laws that violate the 2A are unenforceable. Any law that is backed by the people with the most power is enforceable. That being the case, I too do what I need to do in order to stay out of trouble with the "authorities" as they enforce those unconstitutional laws.
    I've always found it a little amusing when folks refer to asking/begging legislators not to violate their oaths of office as "fighting". Not saying it's a bad idea, I do it myself, regularly. I'm just not sure that it can accurately be called "fighting".
    My intention was not to misquote you but rather to emphasize the part I was talking about in order to make things clearer.
    All countries fall eventually. That doesn't mean that the people and values that once defined them weren't or aren't worth defending. Hope you had a good Veterans day yesterday and thank you.
     
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    Some jurisdictions treat ammo and loaded mags the same as guns in a prohibited zone
     
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