"Gun guy" Attitudes

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There's always someone who thinks there better than everyone else. All hobbies have them.


As for the Kreighoff, you can definitely get nice guns just by saving up. I work as a stockboy at my local pig and saved up a good chunk of money over 2 years. Enough to finance a trip to Europe with some fellow students from my college. Someone can easily just nickle and dime of their smart.
 
I really hate seeing Imperial Japanese Navy WWII anti-aircraft artillery in modern naval history articles listed as 2.5 cm and 12.7 cm when I know for a fact they were listed for decades as 25 mm and 127 mm. And C96 pistol ammo was .30 Mauser or 7,63 Mauser; only in the last few years has it been listed as 7.63x25mm.
 
It seems in pretty much any hobby/enthusiast circle there are going to be zealots of all kinds. It happens when folks invest so much time, money, and effort into these things. They become emotionally attached to their choices and denigrate others.

I see this in my areas, guns are far from unique. In video gaming it's the PC vs Console players. Then you have the Xbox vs PlayStation zealots. In PC you have operating systems and hardware component selections.

In the bbq/smoking world there's stick burners vs pellet grill cookers. The pellet grill guys all have a favorite brand and I have seen those discussions get downright ugly.

Historical reenacting and living history is another. Holy cow those can turn into holy wars.

Paintball....RC airplanes...it goes on and on.

Gun folks are not unique at all in this area.

I have my own personal opinions on which guns, brands and cartridges I like and I'm not about to shove them down a stranger's digital throat. I'll share my opinion if asked, sometimes if not, but respectfully. In certain, closer circles, I'll playfully rib the 1911 zealots over their antique firearms. ;)

Life's too short to get wrapped around the axle over a hobby.
 
kje54 said:
Jeeze!!! Okay people this is a gun!

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Pistols are pistols, revolvers are revolvers, rifles are rifles, anything with a smoothbore is a fowler and artillery is artillery. Oh and clips are not magazines.

How's that for being pedantic.......? :p:D:neener:
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Get real.

If you shoot a 70,000 ton battleship with that puny 75mm, and it finds out about it, it will just make it mad.

REAL SHIPS use 16” or nothing!

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My favorite carry load is a 19 million grain AP shell with a 660 pound powder charge. I carry a 16” because they don’t make a 17”!
 
tarosean said:
Perhaps they prefer quality over quantity? You guys likely wouldnt be batting an eye if the person rolled up in a new pickup that can cost 6 figures now-a-days.

Yet show up with gun that people could save for if they put their mind to it. They are up to something?
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I would bat an eye if he was driving a new truck and looking down his nose at my sports car.

It wasn't just the price of his gun, it was the contrast in attitude between his innocuous sport and my unnatural attraction to serious weapons and humanoid targets.

I knew a lot of people shooting budget straining shotguns, me included.
 
.308 Norma said:
Okay, I guess. What's pedantic?:p
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One apt description is:

Pedantic is an insulting word used to describe someone who annoys others by correcting small errors, caring too much about minor details, or emphasizing their own expertise especially in some narrow or boring subject matter.

In my instance it has more to do with a stodgy utilization of original word usages (descriptors) rejecting modern common usage. A great example is the word decimate, originally ancient Roman that meant reduce by ten percent and applied specifically to a military procedure. Today it is used to describe almost total destruction.
 
JCooperfan1911 said:
Get real.

If you shoot a 70,000 ton battleship with that puny 75mm, and it finds out about it, it will just make it mad.

REAL SHIPS use 16” or nothing!

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My favorite carry load is a 19 million grain AP shell with a 660 pound powder charge. I carry a 16” because they don’t make a 17”!
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:rofl::thumbup:
 
kje54 said:
In my instance it has more to do with a stodgy utilization of original word usages (descriptors) rejecting modern common usage. A great example is the word decimate, originally ancient Roman that meant reduce by ten percent and applied specifically to a military procedure. Today it is used to describe almost total destruction.
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That one kind of annoys my pedant, too. The language has mutated to use "decimated" for "devastated" or "destroyed."

What passes for Pedantic Gunboard Expertise is the frequent explanation of the difference between "magazine" and "clip."
The corresponding aggravation in my book is the routine use of "bore (diameter)" for groove diameter.
 
Jim Watson said:
That one kind of annoys my pedant, too. The language has mutated to use "decimated" for "devastated" or "destroyed."

What passes for Pedantic Gunboard Expertise is the frequent explanation of the difference between "magazine" and "clip."
The corresponding aggravation in my book is the routine use of "bore (diameter)" for groove diameter.
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I inwardly cringe with the clip/mag interchangeability and the modern decimate usage but keep my mouth shut except to use them as examples of word definition changes or adaptations off the original.
BTW, this element of discussion is part and parcel to the general "know it all" discussion presented by the OP. Just in case anyone was wondering. :)
 
JCooperfan1911 said:
Get real.

If you shoot a 70,000 ton battleship with that puny 75mm, and it finds out about it, it will just make it mad.

REAL SHIPS use 16” or nothing!

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My favorite carry load is a 19 million grain AP shell with a 660 pound powder charge. I carry a 16” because they don’t make a 17”!
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That's my kind of .45 caliber!
 
kje54 said:
I inwardly cringe with the clip/mag interchangeability and the modern decimate usage but keep my mouth shut except to use them as examples of word definition changes or adaptations off the original.
BTW, this element of discussion is part and parcel to the general "know it all" discussion presented by the OP. Just in case anyone was wondering. :)
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Yeah, clip/magazine errors are cringey to me, I usually don't correct people on that unless I know that they are into guns and would appreciate knowing the distinction or something like that. In other cases, I know people mean magazine when they say clip and often there is no reason to correct it if they aren't "gun people".

The one that people on here bristle about most it seems is the distinction between cartridge and caliber. I still use the term caliber instead of cartridge sometimes.....
 
JCooperfan1911 said:
Get real.

If you shoot a 70,000 ton battleship with that puny 75mm, and it finds out about it, it will just make it mad.

REAL SHIPS use 16” or nothing!

View attachment 1035206

My favorite carry load is a 19 million grain AP shell with a 660 pound powder charge. I carry a 16” because they don’t make a 17”!
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Crazy to think about how many of those guns got scrapped, along with all.the projectiles. Tons and tons of artillery just sold for scrap.... I remember reading an article about it and it made me cringe.... the things that the military decides to scrap or leave behind
 
A guy who was walking in our neighborhood with his wife has an assignment nearby (Millington TN) with the Navy M. Personnel Center.

A ....different......Navy NMPC guy walking much further behind him told me that the "guy" in front of us had been a SEAL.
When I jogged ahead and told the former SEAL that he was welcome to be my guest at the nearby shooting club, the former SEAL simply typed in my name and phone number. He said nothing about guns, and only said "Take care".

Many years ago I once flew two different trips with a (different) guy who had flown Navy P-3 Orions. That guy never even told me that he had once been on the "Teams" before becoming a Naval aviator.

Does anybody out there 'kinda' understand what I'm trying to say?
For those who don't follow, the actual former tactical experts never brag about anything (---guns or otherwise---),…. , In Person……and some need to be prompted to admit that they were a Ranger, or on the Teams.
 
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The Glockodile:
True: I have at least six of their books (& saw Lone Survivor plus A. Sniper).

These gents are just the very few I’ve met, and they didn't bother mentioning their past unless asked about it.

What reminded me of them (the few I’ve chatted with, or worked with) was that they seemed to have little interest in guns.
 
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Jim Watson said:
That one kind of annoys my pedant, too. The language has mutated to use "decimated" for "devastated" or "destroyed."

What passes for Pedantic Gunboard Expertise is the frequent explanation of the difference between "magazine" and "clip."
The corresponding aggravation in my book is the routine use of "bore (diameter)" for groove diameter.
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This bring up the penchant for soldiers in more senior positions of their career using vocabulary not common to the public in that day. The expressions that came out deserved a "You keep using that word. I do not think that means what you think it means." but it wasn't written yet. It was almost it's own dialect in the 90's.

Now we get shotty, Mossy, Remmy, "my baby got new shoes." With 16 million more new gun owners now, expect it to happen more. And the majority? Women. So the polite forums will likely see more of them than the knuckledragger boards. Not a problem here unless that one lady who's husband was a police chief logs on with more misunderstood legal interpretations. And that happens with men, too. They think they know, but they aren't actually in the field, so, no, it's all second hand.

We get a lot of that with LEO's explaining their ROE to those of us who served (IN) but who see concealed carry quite differently. Police and military tactical discussions don't translate directly to our encounter in a drug store parking lot. Not even.

There are a lot of gun guy attitudes but it doesn't make them informed.
 
I help teach BB guns with the scouts. Not every year, but each time I do I hear stories about "the last guy"...and this last summer when I taught, "the last guy" was teaching the kids sniper tactics. (LEO, former servicemember).

I guess I'm fortunate not to have been teaching the same time as such an individual. If have to take him aside and point out his errors, and we know how that would likely balloon out of proportion.

First and foremost is teaching safety, then the requirements for each shoot, then having groups small enough to ensure adequate safety while they shoot, based on the number of helpers available.

And it's got to be fun, or they lose interest.

Teaching prone "sniper" shooting isn't appropriate for grade school aged kids, nor does it meet the requirements they must meet for their awards. In fact, it's a very difficult position for children that age group to learn and shoot well at.

The goal is to meet the award requirements first...then let them shoot in the easiest position after they've all cycled through (typically sitting at a table) and let them shoot strictly for fun.
 
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