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Gun law heats up race for Congress (IL)

Discussion in 'Legal' started by K-Romulus, Oct 11, 2006.

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  1. K-Romulus

    K-Romulus Member

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    You Illinois guys are in for a battle, too. Where do they get these veterans? We have the same nonsense here in MD.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...coll=chi-newslocalwest-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true

     
  2. Soybomb

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    To: jbiemer@tribune.com
    cc: cparsons@tribune.com

    I'd like to address some comments made by Illinois Fraternal Order of
    Police President Ted Street in a recent article regarding the 6th
    Congressional District race. Mr. Street implies that since the expiration
    of the federal assault weapon ban that police officers are being shot in
    the line of duty far more often. That simply isn't true. According to
    the FBI's 2004 "Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted" paper, from
    1995 to 2004 an average of 54.5 officers were killed annually by firearms.
    In 2005 it was 52 officers.

    Mr. Street attemps to use statistics in a deceiving fashion as well.
    While it appears as though more officers died from gun fire in 2005 than
    automobile accidents, it is not because gun incidents are more common, it
    is because automobile accidents declined from 48 in 2004 to 33 in 2005.
    Perhaps Mr. Street shouldn't be campaigning for gun control as much as he
    should be praising officers for buckling up and driving safer.
     
  3. SomeKid

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    I call BS. Women don't do combat.
     
  4. TexasRifleman

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    I'd love to see the statistics to prove that one, and I'd like those statistics to include not just officers shot in the line of duty, but how many were shot with "assault weapons".

    How much you wanna bet one has nothing to do with the other......:banghead:
     
  5. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    You might want to try tuning in to this little thing over in Iraq that seems to have women "doing" combat.
    Links: 1 2

    Edited to add: I decided to check out what this Duckworth woman did in Iraq. You may not agree with her politics, but you can't dismiss her sacrifice for this country. Check out this article about her. Wow. I would say that losing both legs due to an RPG hitting the helicopter she was piloting counts "doing" combat.
     
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  6. Soybomb

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    Here's as close as you're gonna get
    http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/2004/table28.htm

    The short of it is 73% of officers killed in a 10 year period by firearms were killed with handguns and of all the 545 officers killed only 313 were wearing body armor. His time would be far better spent telling his colleagues to wear their armor.
     
  7. Jeff White

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    The FOP is a Labor Union

    Think Teamsters, United Autoworkers, Machinists......As a labor union it will tow the political lne of the democratic party. It no more represents the views of police officers on any particular issue then the Teamsters represents the views of truck drivers on any particular issue.

    Jeff
     
  8. Don Gwinn

    Don Gwinn Moderator Emeritus

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    Two things:

    1. Tammy Duckworth is a warrior who definitely saw combat and paid a high price for it.

    2. Tammy Duckworth does not know the difference between the guns covered by the "Assault Weapons Ban" and the guns used by soldiers and insurgents in Iraq.
     
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    "Think Teamsters, United Autoworkers, Machinists......As a labor union it will tow the political lne of the democratic party. It no more represents the views of police officers on any particular issue then the Teamsters represents the views of truck drivers on any particular issue."

    Jeff,
    Do most LEOs belong to the FOP? Any idea what the percentages would be? Is membership required by any agencies? I was always curious about that.
     
  11. Jeff White

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    I really don't know what percentage of officers belong to the FOP. It's a union just like any other union and membership is required if they are the collective bargaining agent for your department, except in right to work states.

    People should be no more shocked about this union taking positions and making political endorsements in lock step with the platform of the democratic party then they should be when Teamsters, UAW, Machinists, AFSME or any other union does. It's nothing more then big labor. Of course they aren't going to trot out the endorsement of the Teamsters on an issue like this, no one cares what Teamsters think about the AWB. But if you check, you'll find that big labor endorses the democratic candidate every time. Unions are a core constituancy of the democrats. If Roskam wasn't progun, this wouldn't be an issue and Duckworth would have leaders from other unions with larger membership on the platform with her.

    This is just a way to illustrate differences in the candidates. If Duckworth were running for statewide office, she'd be doing just what Blagojevich is doing, hiding her anti gun agenda in Central and Southern Illinois and taking allocades from the Bradys in Chicagoland. Blagojevich is campaigning heavily on his antigun record around Chicago, but those ads aren't ever played down here.

    Jeff
     
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    I would expect a person who served in the military to know something about firearms and the second amendment. Sorry I do not admire her. Same with Wesley Clark. I think both are self serving party democrats. Both are apparently willing to toe the line with ignorance and infringe on constitutional rights. I would NEVER vote for a vet like this. They are dangerous to liberty and freedom at home.. She should know better. SHAME.
     
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    This is the reason I hope all UNIONS get run out of the country. They are dishonest political machines. If they would keep to things like wages, benefits, pensions and not support every left wing stance ie gun control, abortion, gay marriage etc they might get some respect. I will never be a part of a UNION unless they drop their lying BS. They do not have to play the political game the way they do. They are dirty. First Commies, then the MAFIA, and now the Socialista run the dang things. They remind me of a gang of thugs. They need to clean up their act. But you know what. I think they really do support all the lefty positions and believe in them. The workers need to clean their own house cause it stinks. Just my honest opinion. :mad:
     
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    I would bet that most union members have no idea what their leadership is doing in their name politically. Most union members only care about what goes on in their local.

    Oragnized labor is dying on the vine.

    Jeff
     
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    Tammy Duckworth may have been in the military, and suffered from enemy fire, but based on her political views, she is no more a friend to freedom than Saddam Hussein.

    She is just another Max Cleland.
     
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