Gun legislation going forward?

[Space Ghost]

I, like many gun owners, am hoping for some good news in the 2A arena... but I'm not gonna hold my breath for any sweeping executive orders.
What I WANT is the repeal of the NFA, and EVERY OTHER restrictive, illegal, & unconstitutional law they ever put on the books.
Best we can hope for (IMHO) is that we get a couple of pro 2A appointments to the SCOTUS over the next 4 years.

 

[Jim Watson]

There is always a statist approach. Colorado voters approved an excise tax a la California.

 

[Anchorite]

Best we can hope for (IMHO) is that we get a couple of pro 2A appointments to the SCOTUS over the next 4 years.

Here’s a thought …. how about we work on the front end - like installing a pro 2A Congress - instead of putting all our faith in the judicial branch to un-twist what shouldn't get twisted in the first place??

You get bad law passed, and you can get bad decisions all the way up the totem pole. Waaaayyy too risky for us gun owners, IMO.

 

[Hunter 08]

Here’s a thought …. how about we work on the front end - like installing a pro 2A Congress - instead of putting all our faith in the judicial branch to un-twist what shouldn't get twisted in the first place??

You get bad law passed, and you can get bad decisions all the way up the totem pole. Waaaayyy too risky for us gun owners, IMO.

To do that would require there to be Pro-2A running for Congress. District 23 in Texas had the MOST Pro-2A candidate running with Brandon Herrera and he ended up losing runoff by 407 votes. Mind you, about only half or even less than half of people that voted in the initial primary, showed up to vote in the runoff.

We need people to get out and VOTE and not sit on their hands and doing nothing. We also need to stop sending back so many RINOs every election year.

 

[Miami_JBT]

Here’s a thought …. how about we work on the front end - like installing a pro 2A Congress - instead of putting all our faith in the judicial branch to un-twist what shouldn't get twisted in the first place??

You get bad law passed, and you can get bad decisions all the way up the totem pole. Waaaayyy too risky for us gun owners, IMO.

When I bring up the issue that Senators like Rick Scott shouldn't have been voted into office in the first place. I was told by many in the 2A community to sit down and be silent.

A big portion of the 2A community are Team R first and 2A second.

They happily vote for Team R even if Team R is anti-gun.

I recall back when Jeff Sessions resigned as AG, a lot of people in the 2A online community were chomping at the bit for Trump to nominate Rudy Giuliani.

The mayor who started the whole thing of "let's sue gun companies out of business via frivolous lawsuits. We have unlimited funds through taxes, the gun companies don't."

The biggest issue is voter education and voters don't want to be educated.

 

[MoscowMike]

There has been much recent agitation for a National Reciprocity law. This is something I remain very cold towards.

Like CapnMac, I do not want the Feds to get into concealed carry regulations. Even if we could get that past the House, it could set the precedent of having each state using a strict Federal standard.

Pushing for a more 2A friendly Supreme Court makes the most sense. For legislation, we could consider throwing the anti-gunners a bone by modifying the Hearing Protection act to still require permits for suppressors less than 4” long. They are more concealable so more likely to be used by criminals. Unless we find a few congress critters with fire in their belly, nothing too big is likely to happen with everything else that needs work.

"Since a politician never believes what he says, he is quite surprised to be taken at his word."
- Charles de Gaulle

 

[Resist Evil]

Those with a scintilla of political power want their power to be totally unburdened by the threat of an armed free citizenry. This includes everyone from the White House down to public schools. In their efforts to protect their parasitical selves, they're all happy participants in their war against Freedom of any kind. Name a Freedom that hasn't been heavily infringed upon by defensive politicians and/or America's lesser domestic enemies. It's easier to name their imaginary freedoms like the "right" to murder unborn children, for example. The Party of the Damned never increases Freedom and once it is stolen, the POD never relinquishes it without a hysterical fight.

I would be happy if the few Americans in Congress/Deep State Bureaucracy Industrial Complex would work to un-infringe upon the Second Amendment and the rest of the Constitution.

 

[Anchorite]

When I bring up the issue that Senators like Rick Scott shouldn't have been voted into office in the first place. I was told by many in the 2A community to sit down and be silent.

A big portion of the 2A community are Team R first and 2A second.

They happily vote for Team R even if Team R is anti-gun.

I recall back when Jeff Sessions resigned as AG, a lot of people in the 2A online community were chomping at the bit for Trump to nominate Rudy Giuliani for Christ's sake.

The mayor who started the whole thing of "let's sue gun companies out of business via frivolous lawsuits. We have unlimited funds through taxes, the gun companies don't."

The biggest issue is voter education and voters don't want to be educated.

Totally agree.

 

[BreechFace]

When we have 50 state CCW reciprocity, then they'll have taken a huge step!

Call me when that happens, until then, I've got a dump truck full of popcorn .

Trump announces full conceal carry reciprocity

x.com

x.com

Careful what we wish for, could open us CCW’ers up to a federal daddy may I training, mandatory DEI training, mental evaluation, social credit score, use tax, danger to society fee for 50 state reciprocity.

With federal rulings, edicts, changes…states give up their own sovereignty and liberty.

Not saying I wouldn’t live 50 state reciprocity, I just don’t trust the feds with my freedoms. But it should be an easy case to throw to the USSC and have them rule on grounds of the 2A, and tell the feds and states to stop overstepping their constitutional authority.

 

[SC45-70]

This is an important concept, although I would quibble with attaching guns specifically to a tax bill.

Any pro-gun bill will not go anywhere as a stand-alone. It must be attached to a larger package.

I could see NFA reform (removing silencers, repealing Hughes, etc.) passing if something was included in it that would superficially appeal to the antigunners. Perhaps an option to voluntarily register semiautomatic look-alikes as machine guns? (This would be for free, and would allow a conversion to full automatic at any time thereafter.)

The point is, in the new environment (with Republican control) serious negotiations could at long last take place.

Nobody in congress reads the bills anyway so nobody would know what was in the bill until it passed!

 

[BreechFace]

Nobody in congress reads the bills anyway so nobody would know what was in the bill until it passed!

Sometimes they have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it…

 

[Anchorite]

Trump announces full conceal carry reciprocity

x.com

x.com

Careful what we wish for, could open us CCW’ers up to a federal daddy may I training, mandatory DEI training, mental evaluation, social credit score, use tax, danger to society fee for 50 state reciprocity.

With federal rulings, edicts, changes…states give up their own sovereignty and liberty.

Not saying I wouldn’t live 50 state reciprocity, I just don’t trust the feds with my freedoms. But it should be an easy case to throw to the USSC and have them rule on grounds of the 2A, and tell the feds and states to stop overstepping their constitutional authority.

Meh. Can’t say I’m an enthusiastic fan for the reasons you cite. I just don’t trust gubment.
Sorry.
Probably sit this one out (however I can).

 

[21H40]

Unfortunately too many gun rights advocates don't want to hear/acknowledge this. They don't understand that the best way to protect gun rights is to have enough independent voters, AND members of BOTH parties, to be so pro-gun that politicians of every type will be afraid to lose an election if they advocate for more gun control.

For any gun rights group this should be the approach:

For, or against, gay marriage? Don't care, as long as you're pro-gun. Pro life, or pro choice? Don't care, as long as you're pro gun. Want government run healthcare care, or don't want government run healthcare? Don't care, as long as you're pro gun. Etc, etc. Let other groups worry about other topics.

The "conservative Republicans" are not a majority. ALL Republicans, including moderate Republicans, are not a majority. Without getting independents, moderate Democrats, and "liberal Democrats," onto the pro gun side, it will be impossible to advance a pro gun agenda, and extremely difficult to stop an anti-gun agenda.

Exactly.

In the past week I've had multiple conversations with people who are looking into training and gun ownership, but they feel like the gun culture wouldn't accept them. They're "weird" counter-culture types, homosexual, trans, drag queens, and others. They are looking for politicians who support individual rights and the right to self-defense.

Now, can you imagine NRA, GOA, or anyone else being able to market towards these groups? I can't. I think there are too many outspoken people who would use this outreach to subvert the mission. Guys like Tucker Carlson would love to destroy any organization who reaches out because it would sell well to his primary audience.

 

[AlexanderA]

For legislation, we could consider throwing the anti-gunners a bone by modifying the Hearing Protection act to still require permits for suppressors less than 4” long. They are more concealable so more likely to be used by criminals.

<Chuckle. The shorter the suppressor, the less effective, but the antigunners might not realize that.>

My favorite line is that the Hughes Amendment should be repealed so as to allow more machine guns to be registered. The antigunners would love more machine guns to be registered, no?

 

[Anchorite]

Meh. Can’t say I’m an enthusiastic fan for the reasons you cite. I just don’t trust gubment.
Sorry.
Probably sit this one out (however I can).

Edit to add:

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[Hunter 08]

Another thing to add, Gov of New York has made it abundantly clear that she will do everything she can to stop any pro 2A thing that would go against New York. Gavin in California would be the same way.

 

[Miami_JBT]

Exactly.

In the past week I've had multiple conversations with people who are looking into training and gun ownership, but they feel like the gun culture wouldn't accept them. They're "weird" counter-culture types, homosexual, trans, drag queens, and others. They are looking for politicians who support individual rights and the right to self-defense.

Now, can you imagine NRA, GOA, or anyone else being able to market towards these groups? I can't. I think there are too many outspoken people who would use this outreach to subvert the mission. Guys like Tucker Carlson would love to destroy any organization who reaches out because it would sell well to his primary audience.

GOA doesn't care as a long as people want to own guns and exercise the Second Amendment. We're open to all. Don't care if folks are gay, straight, White, Black, Hispanic, Christian, Buddhist, male, female, etc..

All Americans have the right to keep and bear arms.

 

[Rimfire McNutjob]

A lot of good stuff in this thread. A lot of people mentioned Trump being anti-2A in his first term. I think the issue was that he took bad advice in his first term and was surrounded by old-guard conservatives giving him bad advice on all manner of topics. I'd just remind you that he has made clear that the old-guard is not welcome in his administration ... Haley, Pompeo, etc. This is why McConnel is now in a panic to install an old-guard member as Senate leader with an early vote ... Cornyn or Thune. These people are generally from the do-nothing wing of the Republican party ... where Bill Kristol, George Will, Jonah Goldberg, any of various Bush's or Cheney's, et al live. Their whole impetus is about keeping the controversy alive rather than solving anything. This is how the NRA operated ... nothing ever actually got done. Remember when the NRA tried to scuttle the Heller case? It was about keeping the fight going ... not about winning. There was much less money in winning versus a never ending controversy. Now we've got GOA, FPC, NAGR, etc, that are knocking down laws that violate 2A and the NRA is relegated to coming in at the end and filing amicus briefs ... look at us, me too, me too, we're helping, here at the end when the others have done all of the heavy lifting.

This time however, Trump's getting different advice. Recall that Elon Musk is high on his list of advisors. Musk was in Pennsylvania having people sign a petition in support of 1A and 2A rights in order to be eligible for that giveaway. I think this bodes well for Trump's new view of 2A issues in this term.

The suppressor issue is on too big a roll now to be stopped. That change is coming I think. Liberals love to do things like the Europeans and over there a suppressor is required on a hunting firearm. Someone can remind them of that and they'll get right on board. "Oh, Europe is doing that? We've got to get into alignment with them or the world will come to an end."

We need the SCOTUS to issue a ruling on a final definition of sensitive places ... and it needs to include only places where security is in place. Not public parks and all of that non-sense.

We need SCOTUS to clearly spell out that firearm accessories and ammunition are afforded the same protections (Heller / Bruen test) as the firearms themselves.

We need these AWB's terminated in a definitive ruling at the SCOTUS.

I could go on. I'll spare you. I'm just optimistic at this point I think. Don't bring me down. Too many endorphins released in my brain at about 1:30am Eastern on Tuesday when Pennsylvania was finally called.

 

[American_Fusilier]

A lot of good stuff in this thread. A lot of people mentioned Trump being anti-2A in his first term. I think the issue was that he took bad advice in his first term and was surrounded by old-guard conservatives giving him bad advice on all manner of topics. I'd just remind you that he has made clear that the old-guard is not welcome in his administration ... Haley, Pompeo, etc. This is why McConnel is now in a panic to install an old-guard member as Senate leader with an early vote ... Cornyn or Thune. These people are generally from the do-nothing wing of the Republican party ... where Bill Kristol, George Will, Jonah Goldberg, any of various Bush's or Cheney's, et al live. Their whole impetus is about keeping the controversy alive rather than solving anything. This is how the NRA operated ... nothing ever actually got done. Remember when the NRA tried to scuttle the Heller case? It was about keeping the fight going ... not about winning. There was much less money in winning versus a never ending controversy. Now we've got GOA, FPC, NAGR, etc, that are knocking down laws that violate 2A and the NRA is relegated to coming in at the end and filing amicus briefs ... look at us, me too, me too, we're helping, here at the end when the others have done all of the heavy lifting.

This time however, Trump's getting different advice. Recall that Elon Musk is high on his list of advisors. Musk was in Pennsylvania having people sign a petition in support of 1A and 2A rights in order to be eligible for that giveaway. I think this bodes well for Trump's new view of 2A issues in this term.

The suppressor issue is on too big a roll now to be stopped. That change is coming I think. Liberals love to do things like the Europeans and over there a suppressor is required on a hunting firearm. Someone can remind them of that and they'll get right on board. "Oh, Europe is doing that? We've got to get into alignment with them or the world will come to an end."

We need the SCOTUS to issue a ruling on a final definition of sensitive places ... and it needs to include only places where security is in place. Not public parks and all of that non-sense.

We need SCOTUS to clearly spell out that firearm accessories and ammunition are afforded the same protections (Heller / Bruen test) as the firearms themselves.

We need these AWB's terminated in a definitive ruling at the SCOTUS.

I could go on. I'll spare you. I'm just optimistic at this point I think. Don't bring me down. Too many endorphins released in my brain at about 1:30am Eastern on Tuesday when Pennsylvania was finally called.

This is a good honest view of things. I am always pessimistic, thanks for your post!

I just saw a thing (can't remember where) Trump was talking about national reciprocity. I don't know, maybe we'll get that if Mitch McConnell doesn't screw everything up...

 

[bigchicot]

All it’s ever been about is votes and securing a $200,000 per year salary plus benefits, and in perpetuity, after only serving 2 terms. Focus efforts at the state level if you feel so inclined.

 

[Old Dog]

We need the SCOTUS to issue a ruling on a final definition of sensitive places ... and it needs to include only places where security is in place. Not public parks and all of that non-sense.

I'm good with the commonly-accepted "sensitive areas" -- courthouses, bars, mental health facilities, jails, prisons, or being past the security screening in airports (only because I don't think we'll ever get those areas back). That's about it. When cities (such as NYC or Seattle) try to tell us that we shouldn't carry in public libraries, on public transportation, in museums, zoos, in tourist areas (such as Times Square or Pike Place Market), city/county./state parks -- all the places that predators, criminals, homeless frequent -- then, Houston, we have a problem...

 

[Robert]

We can speculate until the cows come home, 4 more pages won't change the fact that we just don't know. We will have to wait and see. When something concrete happens, we can discuss that.