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Gun Manufacturer Branded Cans?

Discussion in 'NFA Firearms and Accessories' started by Speedo66, Jan 11, 2019.

  1. Speedo66

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    Let me preface this by stating I know extremely little about suppressors.

    I see Ruger and Sig branded .22 cans for seemingly less than other brands, as in $329 and $199 respectively. So my questions are do they manufacture them themselves, and are they as effective in noise reduction as other brands that specialize in silencers only and are they as well built?
     
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    I don't know about Ruger, but John Hollister w/Sig is the man in charge of developing their silencers. Only have heard good things about him and Sig regarding silencers.

     
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  3. bob_atl

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    Ruger makes their own.
    Their proprietary investment casting method gives them an advantage over others using highly machined inner parts.
    Their 22 can is very quiet, among the best.. its uses multiple tight fit pieces for the core.
    Think I would get a single piece inner core vs multiple, less hassle to clean.
     
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  4. MachIVshooter

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    Well, technically speaking, AAC is Remington and Gemtech is S&W.

    The Sig cans are pretty good.

    No experience with Ruger Silent SR, but it's not that difficult to make a good performing rimfire can. If a manufacturer can't get dBs under 120 on a .22 LR, they need to find work making flatware or something.

    Monocores suck in general, can be made to perform OK on rimfires, but will always be louder than stacked baffle cans. To paraphrase, monocores are trying to deal with a 3 dimensional phenomenon in 2 dimensions. I played with a bunch of monocore designs, and aside from .22 integrals, all of mine are stacked baffle now for a reason.
     
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  5. bob_atl

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    Good to know M4, monocores aren't easily designed/manufactured as quiet as multicores.
     
  6. Speedo66

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    Does either brand use a proprietary thread, or is the common 1/2x28? Do they both come apart for cleaning?

    Is there a good alternative for less than $200? With the current gov't situation, could I have picked a worse time to get interested in this? lol

    Thanks to all for sharing their knowledge!
     
  7. MachIVshooter

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    Monocores are actually quite easy to make, especially for outfits that have a vertical machining center. They're also more material efficient, which is another reason a lot of smaller manufacturers opt to go that route.

    Thing is, even a well designed and thoroughly developed monocore will be, at best, about equal in performance to mid-2000's baffle cans, and usually with more first round pop.

    3D printing is probably the future of many cans, although I don't see it replacing conventional designs. DMLS can create impossible to machine shapes, but there are always pros and cons to every manufacturing method, and the benefits of completely monolithic 3D printed designs are a detractor in terms of service, where replacing tube=new can, new tax stamp.
     
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    Virtually all rimfire cans in the US have 1/2-28 direct thread mounting, or some proprietary mounting system that is, in turn, threaded 1/2-28.

    Getting under $200 with a quality can generally means finding a sale. At normal pricing, "good" rimfire cans will typically be in the $250-$400 range. If you don't mind being limited to .22 LR only, there are more sub-$250 options with aluminum guts and/or tubes & mounts.
     
  9. Elkins45

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    There’s a shop I visit occasionally that has a Sig SRD22x for $279. It’s calling to me. I already have a top quality commercial can and a Form1 rimfire can, but that’s a good price. You can never have too many good 22 cans.

    The Sig can is very highly rated. I have never seen the Ruger can in person.
     
  10. Gtscotty

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    Maybe on pistols or higher pressure chamberings, but not necessarily on .22 rifles. The monocore Silencerco Sparrow is still one of the quietest cans you can buy for a .22lr rifle, especially for the length:

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BoehxUIncKi/

    The Sparrow does have some FRP on pistols.

    The Sig cans do have a good reputation, I don't think there are very many Ruger cans out there yet, but they use good materials and have a plenty of engineers to draw on, I'd be very surprised if their cans weren't pretty decent.
     
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  11. dogtown tom

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    I think he was the only one left behind when Kevin Brittingham and the rest of his team left to form Q.
    Pretty much all the SIG silencer line was designed when KB was in charge, but he got flustered when SIG production couldn't keep up with demand. (that and KB wants to be his own boss again)
     
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