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Gun Manufacturers: Just say NO to California!

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Andrew Rothman, Feb 25, 2005.

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  1. Andrew Rothman

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    from http://www.gunnewsdaily.com/rw722.html

     
  2. TonkinTwentyMil

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    The politico behind this silly legislation (ASSemblyman Koretz) represents the West Hollywood district. This is the very same community whose city fathers voted just a few years ago to "ban" all those evil Semi-Automatic (including pistols) "Assault Weapons". Later, when the ballistically-illiterate idiots discovered that their "ban" also disarmed the L.A. County sheriff deputies who provided their police protection (via Beretta 9 mm's), they quietly rescinded this knee-jerk ordinance.

    The West Hollywood area of greater L.A. is home to some of the most liberal folks/voters in the U.S.. Many "creatives" behind our TV/movie entertainment live and work here. The Writers Guild of America is based here. Remember that the next time you watch "West Wing" or other entertainment with the usual dose of liberal-biased political "messages" (and let those TV shows' advertisers know right away WHY you won't be buying their products, too).

    Additionally, their U.S. Congressman is the notorious Henry Waxman (whose district also includes Beverly Hills and Santa Monica -- not exactly bastions of pro-2A sentiment).

    The real importance in shooting down this legislation, per Matt Payne's post, is in totally discrediting the junk-science behind so many "progressive" gun control schemes. For example, Maryland's multi-million $$ Ballistic I.D. boondogle is on the verge of being scrapped, thanks to input from the MD state police (who say it's a useless joke).

    While proposed laws like this are scary, they're also a great opportunity to expose these political sissy-boys and their constituencies as the silly, technically uninformed snot-balls they really are.

    I urge a few California gun owners to immediately commence marketing "ASSemblyman Koretz Ballistic I.D. Circumvention Kits" consisting of:

    1. A small FILE for readily altering the proposed firing-pin marks.
    2. A bag of multiple/various calibre spent cartridge cases to scatter about the scene of any future shooting which the gun owner might be involved in, to confuse the ballistic investigators.

    When THAT hits the local TV news, perhaps the local cultural elites will see the light... at least untill the next scheme comes along. This IS a war, and it never ends.
     
  3. jdberger

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    Lately I'v thought that the tobacco companies should do the same thing in CA. Given our current fiscal crisis, the loss in tax revenue would be crippling to the state. It would be hysterical to watch sin-tax members of the assembly shriek that they were being treated unfairly as their pet programs got cancelled due to lack of tobacco tax revenue. Oh..the beautiful irony...
     
  4. Waitone

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    I wouldn't be surprise to see such tactics employed in the future. There has to be a critical mass of public opinion that <insert advocates of choice> have gone too far. Once that occurs certain logical processes begin operating.

    Slight thread change veer ahead. I can't see any reason why gun manufacturers locate in states that are clearly anti-gun. Same with importers. I'd love for one or two hoist a single digit salute and simply leave for a friendly state. Yea, I know I'm dreaming.
     
  5. foghornl

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    Yeah, why is Springfield Armory still in Geneseo, ILL ? ? ?

    Given, the whole state is not like Peoples Demonkratic Republik of Chikago, ILL, [unless Emperor DICK Daley II gets his way].

    I am fairly sure that Illion NY is not the same as NYC, NY, but your point is well taken, WaitOne.
     
  6. Bubbles

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    I have heard, though I can't verify, that most domestic manufacturers of .50BMG rifles (including Armalite, Barrett, MacMillan, Pauza, and Serbu) will not sell to any law-enforcement agencies in California since their ban was put in place.

    I'm sure you all remember this letter from Ronnie Barrett to the LAPD:
    http://nramemberscouncils.com/caspecial/la50banbarrett.shtml

    From what I've heard, the rifle is still... ah... awaiting "service" and will be there for quite a while... :D
     
  7. Rexrider

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    Be careful what you wish for.

    I would guess there are many Calf politicians who would be thrilled to see all gun manufacturers pull out of Calf.

    After all the guns are off the self, they would simply offer higher priced contracts to supply law enforcement. Make an offer the manufacturers can't refuse and someone will bite. It's only tax money anyway.
     
  8. George S.

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    All this proposed legislation would have to do is to exempt this "tatooing" requirement for any firearms sold in CA to law-enforcement agencies, or any business where carrying weapons is otherwise authorized (like armored car businesses, private security firms), or exempt all federal agency where carrying a weapon is authorized by federal law. Then you would have the support of the CA police agencies.

    As long as LEO's could continue to get the weapons they need, they would most likely support such a bill and perhaps even lobby the state legislature to pass it.

    But, like the other idiotic scheme that would have marked bullets with a serial number, the cost of creating a system to track all of this data, and the people required to run it, and the computers needed to handle the data would probably have to come from the state's funds. I would figure that a new system like this would run around 25-35 million dollars just for design, testing and staff. Then something like 10 million a year for running it and enhancements. And CA would be hard pressed, given their financial condition, to even come close to building an effective system.

    Of course the gangs, illegal aliens, robbers, muggers, murderers and other criminal elements would have to buy the "new" guns so they could continue their criminal pursuits.
     
  9. R.H. Lee

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    This is exactly what needs to happen IMO. After all handgun sales are cut off to California, I predict a HUGE increase in underground undocumented handgun trafficking that the state has no way to control. It will backfire on them, as do all liberal lefty statist schemes.
     
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    It won't work, the U.S. Gov. would just ship guns to all the law enforcement agencies here.

    Barrett unfortunately "did" send the M82 back to LAPD.

    While a good idea for gun comapanies to think about, I'm sure they would make one of them an offer they couldn't refuse. Probably one that's from a foreign country.
     
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    And besides, what's to keep a criminal (or anybody for that matter) from 'buffing' the firing pin or 'smoothing' out the chamber? :rolleyes:
     
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    Can you say "Dremel Tool & Jeweler's Rouge"?






    I knew you could, folks.
     
  13. Standing Wolf

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    Firearms manufacturers stand up for principle?

    Let me know when it starts raining nickels, please.
     
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    Perhaps someone should let the politician know that stamping a thin brass case full of explosive powder is NOT the best idea when you are firing it off.

    I'd love to hear about those lawsuits except for the fact that they would be aimed at manufacturers who were forced to comply simply to sustain a business.

    I'm not surprised to hear the Barret sent the rifle back to CA. His company was probably under obligation to fix the rifle (assuming it was under warranty)
    I'd hope thats the only work he does with the LAPD for quite a while.
     
  15. wolf

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    stamp..tax..restrict..ban..eliminate..hey it works..in Los Angeles, a county that cranks out 500+ homicides a year, mostly gang related, without much effort.."small" handguns are already banned here..not many folks know that..in fact alot of people think guns have been totally banned here...the few independent gun shops in LA county are not long lived...and one such store is in west hollywood..on the sunset strip no less

    if a few more "handgun" related crimes make top news..the few who still vote out here for mayors and other local canidates could pass a total ban without trying...we have a mayors race out here that is a total joke..5 dems running..ranging from liberal to "way out there "..and one republician...that the LA Times (another joke) will not even recognize as a candidate..

    bleek..indeed..hopeless no .. but its no walk in the park..

    wolf
     
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    I had heard Ronnie Barrett's responce was "We're not fixing it, and I'm not going to the trouble of packing it up. It's your property, so you are free to come and get it." And they had to fly a rep out.

    I am not sure how accurate the above account is.
     
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    Liberty-minded firearms manufacturers should sell to everyone in California EXCEPT government agencies and their employees.
     
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    And what about all the revolvers that don't strew cases? Or single-shots?
     
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    Foriegn imports would be the hardest to stop - Cali would simply set up a new import company to handle whatever foriegn company they decided to go with,m and get them direct. Glock would not care a fig about our laws, and would be happy as a clam to have exclusive sales in the whole state, even if LEO only.Berretta, HK, Walther, all in socialist countries whose home grown firearm restrictions make Cali look positively conserviative, so they would not blink and eye....
     
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    Prohibition never worked here in the U.S. I bet I would be suprised what is floating around the streets in Kalifornicate. :D
     
  21. stealthmode

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    i think the opposite

    more gun manufactures need to give us californians a bigger selection before we cant buy here anymore at all.
     
  22. Jim Diver

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    Your selection is gonna be limited from now on... All new model guns now have to include, among other things, a mag disconnect. I will never buy a POS with a disconnect.

    I agree that manufacturers should refuse to sell to LEO in PRK.
     
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    Why should they? Gun owners (whinning that "I love their smooooth trigger works") have failed to destroy Smith and Wesson. The leaders of this industry (Barrett excepted, perhaps) are guys who would sell their daughters as slaves to a Sudanese warlord IF they could get a good "rate of return."

    When gun owners forgave Smith and Wesson, again and again, the industry learned it could s**t on the carpet and get off with tough talk. That's no way to train a dog.
     
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    If the people in the state won't do it the gun companies on the outside sure as hell won't.
     
  25. G1FAL

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    There are a few comments in this thread that I want to respond to, but only one I am going to quote.

    So we all know the solution to that, right? DONT BUY THOSE FOREIGN WEAPONS. Let Glunk, H&K, and Walther know that if they sell to the PRK .gov, they lose civilian sales in the rest of the US. They might not care at first, but I t hink after a few years they'd notice and try to make things right. Probably by offering huge sales and such. But as long as we stick it out, we could probably win in the end.

    I dont know why any company associated with firearms chooses to locate themselves in the PRK, PRNY, PRMD, PRNJ, or the Demokratik Sozialiste Worker's Happy Paradise Fun Land Happy State Republik of ILL-noise. As I've pointed out before, maybe not on this board but I KNOW I've said it, all they're doing is helping the enemy. Every dollar they take in is taxed, which gives the state more money to make, and worse, enforce, stupid laws like this.

    I'm sure there are gun-friendly states who would love to have Springfield Armory set up shop. Or Colt (yech!). Or WhatACountry. Or any of the other businesses that are behind the lines right now. I'd think that Montana, Idaho, or the Dakotas would be ecstatic to have a Bushmaster factory, or any of the others.

    But the manufacturers and suppliers arent the only ones to blame.

    There's a solution, but I wont mention it again. Last time people crawled out of the woodwork to attack.

    So let's just keep letting things go the way they're going. Heck, let's just save time and turn everything in right now. It'll happen eventually, and no one will do anything about it anyway. Might as well make life easier on ourselves, right?
     
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