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Gun or Car Mods.....need help.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by C-grunt, Aug 23, 2007.

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  1. C-grunt

    C-grunt Member

    Jun 12, 2005
    Phoenix Az
    Ok I have two main hobbies....shooting and driving. I recently bought a Subaru WRX and am looking to slightly modify it. I also want to buy an AR-15. I can only afford to do one or the other in the near future. Im worried that if I buy the car mods then the AWB will come again soon after. Am I over paranoid that the AWB will pop right up and AR prices will skyrocket? I want the car mods more than the AR and its only 650 dollars versus 900 for an AR. What do you guys think?
  2. rugbyer81

    rugbyer81 Member

    Oct 30, 2006
    This may or may not go over well here, but I say if you want the car mods more, then get the car mods. May as well get what you think you would enjoy more.
  3. Regolith

    Regolith Member

    Jul 2, 2007
    Nevada & Oregon
    Get the AR. The car modifications will always be available, but there is a fairly substantial (non-zero) chance that the AR will not be available in the future.
  4. fordfan485

    fordfan485 Member

    May 16, 2006
    Having been really into cars before I got into guns I say go with the gun. From my experience cars are a money pit and do nothing but depreciate in value. With a firearm its usually the opposite.
  5. Hiccup.Master

    Hiccup.Master Member

    Nov 11, 2006
    Boise, ID
    Get the AR, it will outlast the car.

  6. nwilliams

    nwilliams Member

    Dec 10, 2006
    Albuquerque, NM
    Never been interested in car mods myself, for me cars are just a means to get from point A to point B, so I say go with the gun;)

    But I agree with Rugbyer go with what you really want, only you can decide what to spend your money on. I think on this forum most people will encourage you to go with the AR.
  7. 2RCO

    2RCO Member

    Aug 15, 2007
    The car mods are going to do you very little good when you trade it in or sell. The AR is like money in the bank and will most likely appreciate over time.
  8. ceetee

    ceetee Member

    Sep 7, 2003
    Two schools of thought going on in my mind:

    Everybody you know will be able to see and appreciate the car mods, and be impressed thereby. Only you and your closest circle will even know about the gun mods.

    Most mods car guys do to their cars at home only involve looks, not performance. Most gun mods gun guys do at their homes involve performance, not looks. What are you into more? Looks, or performance?

    Okay, three things: Which thing works best for you right now, as it is? In which thing are you already happy with it, so it needs the mods the least? Yes, the rifle will outlast the car, and yes it will appreciate in value, not depreciate, but if you're more unhappy with the car, fix it up first. As long as you're happy with the rifle's performance right now, that is.
  9. strat81

    strat81 Member

    Oct 6, 2006
    A stripped AR-lower is ~$100. If you have the mechanical ability to mod your car, you can assemble an AR from a parts kit. And as much as I love cars, they are a money pit and all of the fun mods just make it easier for your to get a speeding ticket. Not to mention, quality performance mods are big $$$, especially if you don't have the tools and/or expertise to install them yourself.

    I dig the WRX, fast, fun little car. I'd get some quality rubber for it and upgrade the stereo. Unless you're racing competitively in SCCA racing, I'd hold off on rotors, calibers, rims, exhaust, chips, clutches, etc.

    I got my AR lower about 2 months ago and I'm slowly adding to it. Mags one week, a stock a few weeks later, etc. I was ready to get an upper but Garands surfaced at the CMP again so the AR got postponed. That's what's great about an AR build: it can go as slow or as fast as you need. Arfcom has all of the info you need for free.
  10. DogBonz

    DogBonz Member

    Sep 23, 2006
    cant agree more

    He is so right that it hurts!

    In my youth I was a car junkie. I worked hard and blew every dime I made on my car. I mean how many college kids do you know with a 425 horse Vette? But when I had to eventually sell it (it broke my heart) because my main ride died and good luck driving a Vette in New England during the winter, I ate almost all of the money that I put into the mods. You see, for the most part, the people with the money to buy it didn’t want the mods, and the people who liked the mods didn’t have the cash.

    In general, a car is a depreciating asset, while guns, after the initial hit of becoming “used” pretty much hold their value, and in some cases can appreciate.

    Quick story:
    A few months before the 1994 AWB my uncle bought 5 Colt AR15’s, after the bill passed he sold 3 of them for almost what he paid for all five.
  11. Tin Gizel

    Tin Gizel Member

    Apr 11, 2007
    Been there done that with cars and trucks....always regretted the money i felt I wasted on them...

    I have never felt that I have wasted any money on a gun.

    But then again, at the time i was into cars I wasn't nearly as into guns as I am now....

    Buy whichever one you'll get more enjoyment out of now. But if you choose the car, I'd make sure you start putting away money for the AR as I agree with others, you won't be able to get them forever, and they'll usually go up in value once you own them.
  12. DMK

    DMK Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    Over the hills and far, far away
    I'm a gearhead. It's hard to give an opinion because you don't say what mods you are thinking of. Some will give you great back for the buck (a decent chip, better tires, good sway bars, good brake upgrades, good springs and struts), on the other hand something like a Ground Effects kit, carbon fiber hood, coffee can muffler or neon lights won't do a thing for you except (maybe) make your car more cosmetically appealing (if you go for that type of thing). I favor the first type of mod and consider the latter type a waste of money personally.

    I've done a number of things to my car that I appreciate every day on my drive to work or store. On the other hand a gun I will only appreciate on the weekend (unless it's a CCW and even then it's out of sight, out of mind 90% of the time).

    That all said, I'd buy the AR. Right out of the box, the WRX is certainly very quick and handles great. You can always mod the car (or rifle) later.

    Nice car BTW. I love the WRX. :)
  13. DoubleTapDrew

    DoubleTapDrew Member

    Feb 23, 2006
    What mods for the car are you planning? Most things like exhaust/intake, etc. don't add a whole lot of power for how much they cost, and you won't get a dime back out of them when you sell the car.
    A lot of cars have cheap or "free mods" you can do to them (removing factory intake restrictions, making a mechanical boost controller for $20, etc.) I'd check out some Scooby forums and do those first.
    I hate having to make decisions like that. "The camaro needs headers, but those PLR-16's look like so much fun!"
  14. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Member

    Aug 7, 2007
    Portland, OR
    Buy the AR! bought my first AR a couple of years after the AWB. Bushmaster A3 20" Target for $890.00. Withing a month after the silly AWB was not renewed, I bought a Bushy lower with a collapsable stock and a RRA 16" carbine upper with A2 flashider. If it gets close to looking like another AWB will be passed, I will buy another AR and as many 30rd mags as I can afford.:cuss:

    Come SHTF or an extensive weapons ban. AR's will be worth more than gold. So will ammo for that matter.
  15. Jorg Nysgerrig

    Jorg Nysgerrig Member

    Apr 13, 2006
    My advice? Don't live your life in fear of bans.

    Buy what you want now. Life is too short to fret constantly about what they may take away from you. I know some people claim that the minute a Democrat enters the White House it'll be game over, but many of these same people claimed that Nancy Pelosi was going to try to ban all guns back in January the second she crossed the threshold. You've seen how much traction those bills have picked up. All you can really do is keep up the activism and converting folks to the cause.

    And if the sweeping ban does come down, there's no guarantee of a grandfather clause or even a sunset provision. It could be full on confiscation of evil guns. I suppose you could bury it as some suggest, but a buried gun is a worthless gun.

    Get the car parts and enjoy them. Sometime later buy your AR.

    Since SHTF is a fairly silly topic, I won't touch on that, but if there's an extensive enough ban, your AR may be worthless. Well, I suppose you could trade it in for a pair of sneakers through the amnesty program.
  16. SG Merc

    SG Merc Member

    Jun 25, 2007
    How about doing both?

    It's already been suggested that you assemble your own AR to save money, so another thing you can do is only buy AWB threatened parts. Someone with more knowledge of the bill would be able to offer you more specific advice, but getting a stripped lower and some 30+ round magazines would be a solid investment in your future rifle build.

    Sounds like you have enough money to get your car parts and the minimal AR parts.
  17. yesit'sloaded

    yesit'sloaded Member

    Aug 15, 2007
    I race SCCA and would like to tell you something. The more you mod a car for the track or strip, the harder to drive on the street and the less reliable it becomes. I had an 86 starion esi-R with a bigger turbo and suspension goodies that blew the head and turbo. Even doing all of the work myself, I could have bought 4 ARs for the cost of replacing the damaged parts. Moral of the story is : the car is already more than fast enough for driving anywhere in the US and is reliable. Why trade that fact for increased performance you will never see and less reliability. (Fast and the Furious was cool and all but when are you ever going to be driving over 90mph at the most)
  18. Stover954rr

    Stover954rr Member

    Jul 26, 2007
    Hey man, SUBIES ROCK!! having owned a Stg 4 bugeye wrx, and an Evo, and Having AR's I gotta tell you that the AR's are the better investment for sure. Also I would enjoy the Car as it sits for now.... and modify it in a few months or a year, that way you can enjoy your mods more. I bought my wrx and threw all the mods on at once, and I got bored. If you do your mods slowly and enjoy each one it makes it better.... not to mention you NEVER get your $$ back on car mods. Best of luck with what ever you decide to do. Also my SN on NASIOC.com is the same!
  19. Neo-Luddite

    Neo-Luddite Member

    Sep 13, 2006
    Northwest IL--the other 'Downstate'
    Cars are always heartbreakers. With few exceptions, no matter the care you lavish on them, they are money pits--in twenty years they will (likely) not be around. A quality firearm will require little upkeep money after the initial outlay and can last in rugged and usable condition for generations.

    Hey, a hobby is a hobby--and when money is tight you have to choose sometimes.
  20. Will Learn

    Will Learn Member

    May 7, 2006
    "Get the AR. The car modifications will always be available, but there is a fairly substantial (non-zero) chance that the AR will not be available in the future."

    Get the AR, put it together yourself for cheaper if you want to keep it under $900- http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=21&t=440461 $290 +
    $490 http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=22&t=143647 = $780 AR w/ flip up sight and RRA 2 stage national match trigger. That took me 5mins to find so i'm sure theres cheaper deals out there.

    You know everyone on a gun forum is goin to tell you to get the gun right?
    Get the gun, get the gun, shoot,shoot,shoot,shoot.
  21. Soybomb

    Soybomb Member

    Oct 31, 2005
    The ar will retain value better, but you probably drive your car every day. Never underestimate the fun of turning up the boost a little.
  22. benEzra

    benEzra Moderator Emeritus

    Dec 25, 2002
    Down East in NC
    I have mixed feelings.

    Two of my biggest interests are guns and fast cars (love the WRX, BTW). I love to drive an engaging car, and a big part of that is horsepower...which is a big reason why my "family sedan" has an Eaton M90 sitting atop the intake. I love it when a kid in a Civic pulls up behind me at a red light, then jumps into the left lane because he thinks a big sedan must be slow...hehehe...

    Having said that, the WRX is already one of the quickest and sharpest-handling sedans on the road. You're already under 6 seconds to 60 and under 15 seconds in the quarter, IIRC, and you can put power down off the line and in the corners like nobody's business, thanks to 4WD.

    So I think if I were in that situation, I'd enjoy the car as it is, and get the AR. BUT, you're not me, and if you'd enjoy having the car mods more than the rifle, then by all means get them. As others have mentioned, you can start building an AR gradually on the side using quality parts. OR, buy a few magazines, set a credit card aside with at least $1K of room on it, and think about what you'd order if a ban started to loom, so at least you could get one then.
  23. fishingjld

    fishingjld Member

    Jan 28, 2007
    get that you want man. i have done both. i will say guns have been, for me anyway, the coolest thing to be a part of. if i had the money i would do both but shooting stuff is much more fun.
  24. Il Duca

    Il Duca Member

    Sep 27, 2006
    Man, I am in the same predicament. I have a 1979 Mercury Capri that I need to buy a mess of parts for if I'm going to start whipping punks in WRXs:p, JK. But right now I can't seem to stop buying rifles. I just seem to keep coming across these great deals. As much as I hate to say it if I were you, I would bite it and buy the parts. I'm not buying any more guns til I get something done with the car.
  25. desert_fox

    desert_fox Member

    Jul 30, 2007
    Central NJ
    funny...i drive the same car.... 06 WRX, cobb stage 1, some little suspension and brake upgrades
    HOWEVER, i purposely don't spend too much on my car, the more power you make and the more you race it (especially AWD cars with the t-case and all) the more you break it. you have to pay to play.
    i had a 99 mustang cobra that i literally DUMPED money into, had every possible upgrade you could think of, supercharged, built motor, fully upgraded suspension, big brake kit, huge drag radials, tt2 wheels....went 11.5@130ish, then i started breaking stuff, and it sucked majorly, $1500 on a trans, $1000 on tires... ect
    modding cars is a very expensive hobby

    my advice?
    get a cheapo car you can mod....old WRX, old nissan 240sx, 5.0 mustang, 98 camaro (ls1), maybe an lt1 camaro, and mod that, DO NOT mod your only mode of transportation or you will find yourself having to bum rides off people
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