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Gun owner checked in school lockdown

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  1. hilljack22

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    http://www.indystar.com/articles/1/229866-9071-092.html

    Gun owner checked in school lockdown


    By John Tuohy
    john.tuohy@indystar.com
    March 17, 2005


    Nine Center Grove schools continued a lockdown today as the Johnson County sheriff's department and federal agents investigated a man who recently purchased $5,000 in firearms.

    The lockdown started Tuesday at West Grove Elementary School when students playing at recess saw a man in camouflage holding a gun in a wooded area. All the Center Grove schools were secured Wednesday and today.

    Police received a tip about a man who recently bought a cache of weapons, some of them assault-type guns, and went to his home to interview him, said Johnson County Sheriff's Col. Doug Cox.

    The man lives "very close'' to the school and owns camouflage clothing but he denied being in the he woods, Cox said.

    Cox said the guns appear to have been purchased legally, but the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms is double-checking his purchase records.

    As a precaution, detectives asked the man's relatives to hold the guns while the investigation continues.

    "The guns have been removed from the home,'' Cox said.

    He said the man is so far not considered a suspect but police "just want to make sure everything checks out with the weapons.''

    He said police were very mindful of the fatal shooting of an Indianapolis police officer last August by a mentally unstable man who had legally bought a number of assault-style weapons.

    "Even if he wasn't at the school we want to take a close look at him,'' Cox said. "Our eyebrows have been raised. We remember what happened in Indianapolis.''

    Center Grove schools Superintendent Candace Milhon-Baer said the decision to lockdown was made jointly with the sheriff's office.

    She said school officials will decide later whether to cancel after school programs.

    She said students and teachers are accustomed to lockdown procedures because the district conducts drills.

    "We have experienced no undue stress,'' Milhon-Baer said.

    She said recess will be held in classrooms or the gym. "It is just like we do on inclement weather days,'' Milhon said.

    There are 7,100 students in the district.

    Read tomorrow's Indianapolis Star for more details about this story.


    Comments?

    (I guess owning some guns and camoflage at the same time makes you even more EVIL :banghead: )
     
  2. ceetee

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    People will only see the $5,000 figure and think, "Holy crap! That's a lotta guns!"

    Nobody will bother to tell them that's less than a fourth of the cost of a really classy O/U trap gun...
     
  3. madkiwi

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    I can't even begin to comment on this. It is wrong on so many levels.

    I'll just tackle one-
    Their eyebrows have been raised? THEIR EYEBROWS?????!!?? They should lay off THE CRACK PIPE THEY ARE SMOKING!

    I mean what does this guy have to do with what happened somewhere else? And even that case was about a cop being shot, not a school issue. :rolleyes:

    madkiwi
     
  4. Missourigunner

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    Gun owner checked in school lockdiown

    If the guns were legally purchased, then whats the beef ? Is it against the Law to bring a gun within a certain distance of this school? $5000 doesn't buy that great amount of guns, especially if you are buying quality weapons. The story reads like they don't have a clue as to Who the kids saw in the woods. This is Wrong. :cuss: :fire: :banghead:
     
  5. hkOrion

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    Maybe...

    he should have bought some SKS's or some other more inexpensive "assault type weapons". then he'd be okay, right? what's next - someone buys more that one knife at a store and the cops come rushing in becuase they remember what happened at the local Chinese All-you-can-eat restaurant? It's for the Sesame Beef!

    He should have told them to go pound salt.
     
  6. spacemanspiff

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    gee, i guess when i win the lotto i shouldnt rush out and buy that $50,000 worth of guns, huh?
     
  7. ScottsGT

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    OK, I'm going to play Devils Advocate here. My Nomex undies are on.

    How many of you have kids in school? How many reading this would be saying, "How did this nutcase slip throught the system" if the headlines were
    "$5000 of Assault Weapons were used in school massacre" "We just cannot figure out how someone can buy this many firearms at once and not be checked out" Then the Brady Bunch and the elitist from DC would have more fuel for the AWB to be brought up again. Come on now, just how many of us has gone to the gunshops and bought $5K in firearms at once?
    Now if it was just one Barrett he bought, that's a different story. Give the PD credit, they let his relatives hold his firearms, they did not confiscate them. I'd love to read the outcome of this story, but if it has a happy ending, the press will have no reason to report on it :cuss:
     
  8. birddog

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    This guy wasn't just checked because he bought some guns. I'm willing to bet there is something else behind any suspicion that is floating around him.

    Just as I am not willing to say "he is the guy stalking the schools" because he happened to buy some EBR's, neither would I say "he is NOT the guy" with no further information.
     
  9. DelayedReaction

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    The focus isn't on the guy because he has guns, the focus is on the guy because children reported a man in camo holding a gun in the woods, and he lives nearby. I really don't have any problems with the police making sure everything is kosher, so long as this man's rights aren't being violated. As it stands now that does not appear to be the case.
     
  10. Old Fuff

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    Concerning the $5,000.00 figure ...

    Maybe he happened to get a big income tax refund? Many people over-withold just as an enforced kind of saving plan. Or he might have sold some other personal property because he wanted to by some firearms. Also, might some of the money gone for accessories and ammunition?

    Obviously, from the news story (clearly slanted) no one can say at this point, but I noticed that the guns were apparently purchased at a gun store, so he must have gone through a background check ...

    And if his intention was to attack the school he wouldn't have had to buy more then one firearm. While the news report(?) mentions a dollar figure it says nothing about the number of guns involved, or if this individual had any other guns from previous purchases.

    That, and if the police could have come up with a justifiable reason they would have taken the guns themselves. The fact they didn't says a lot.
     
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    Guilty Until Proven Innocent

    If we don't like your hobby politics or hell, why not you race or religon.

    Replying to Scotts, you're going to need Nomex underwear.

    If he had his background check then he didn't slip through, he bought the weapons legally. Had he not and been a real criminal, then no one would have known about him anyway right?

    Me. Several times. This tells me you are either a troll or not very experienced buying guns. Let's see, 5 grand can be 2 nice 1911's, or even two nice AR-15's. $5k is not a lot of money when it comes to guns.

    This couldn't be a more absurd statement. To illustrate, replace the word guns with car. We think we saw someone like you driving a car like yours kill a kid. Since we can't prove it, and can't charge you we'll ask that a realtive drive your car till you can prove you didn't do it.

    He should have told them, charge me or get lost and called the NRA lawyers. This guy has a case for libel and should sue the PD . . . . . only way to teach them to behave.

    How does the saying go about may your chains sit lightly?
     
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    So he purchased these items legally, he has not been charged with anything, but his personal property has been taken from him without due process of law? As some have mentioned, this is wrong on several levels, and is a sign of how far our rights have slipped in the name of safety.

    Highland, he shouldn't even have to call the lawyers. They should be lined up outside his door.
     
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    OK, 480 posts. I'm no troll. Here on THR at least :D
    Inexperienced at buying guns? Please try to convince my wife of that!! I've got about 16 guns all together. My most expensive was the $1300 I dropped on the M1a. And I saved for months and sold off a few items to buy that one. I guess it is all a prospective of ones income as to how much money one will usually drop at once on firearms. But I will make a wager that the average customer's bill in a gunshop is way below the $5K mark. Remember, we are a "Gun Nut family" here on THR, to us, buying $5K in firearms sounds like Christmas morning. To the average person with no firearms knowledge (that the press is selling papers to), it sounds like a maniac with too much money to spend. And how does the local PD look at someone like this? I remember years back that someone posted here that they received a phone call from the ATF, inquiring as to why they bought 6 or 9 (cannot remember the amount) in the past month.

    December 7, 1993 - Colin Ferguson - Didn't he go through the extensive California background check and waiting period? Remember, this is the incident that brought us the anti. Rep. Carolyn McCarthy. I guess what I am saying is that not all back ground checks show up everything. And I'm going to shut up so if any antis are reading this, they won't think I'm on their side.
     
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    If he was wearing camo then how did anyone see him? :cool:

    Seriously though, they had to go talk to him because it's part of the job, but they completely over-reacted after that.

    Who knows, it's likely not the entire story. The guy could be a well-known nut case who crawls around the neighborhood from time to time in his underwear and chases cars.

    John
     
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    Would have been interesting if he had told them to blow wind and get off his property from the beginning. I wonder if the fact he had purchased $5,000 worth of guns and "owned" camoflage clothing is enough to get a search warrant.
     
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    I will keep an eye on this and post up the follow-ups as the paper puts them out.

    I understand the school and his proximity, but the "camo" comment just made me laugh.
     
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    I agree with birddog. Just because the nooze story focuses on guns doesn't mean that the gun purchase alone have the cops suspicious.

    Hell, I'm across the street from an elementary school and have bought 8 or 9 guns, 3 in the last month or two along, and I live in Massachusetts! No one's knocking on my door yet.

    I bet this guy is a town alky, they got tipped that he'd been doing meth for a while, he'd been picked up doing odd things a few times lately*, and all of the sudden, purchasing a few guns- couple that with being seen carrying a gun right next to the school, and I'd say that this guy bears watching.


    * or some such thing



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  19. Ankeny

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    Look at the state of affairs around us today and what has transpired. We had 9/11, school shootings, nuts with guns cruising around from state to state shooting folks, etc. Our response is stuff like the Cops Grants, Homeland Security, Safe Schools Act, and so on.

    If this guy was legitimately suspected of lurking around the playground armed and in camo, shouldn't the powers to be look at him under a microscope within reason and within the law? Of course they should. I too am scratching my head about why the investigation would continue if there is no reason to believe the guy is a threat other than he bought some guns. I don't have all of the particulars of the case so I won't even spectulate. But as a public school teacher, in a state where kids have been killed at school, I don't get my shorts in a knot if the cops make an error on the side of caution.
     
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    :banghead: There goes another hobby..... :banghead: :cuss:
     
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    Sounds like kid induced mass hysteria to me. Well it gives the police and the media something to do i guess.

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Looking at the story, there's no way to tell if this is even the same man. Kids saw a man in the woods, wearing camo and with a gun. Cops noticed that a person who lives near the school spent a lot on guns recently. He also owns camouflage clothing. Has anyone from the school identified him as the same man they saw? Lots of people own and wear camo, and lots of those folks own guns. From the story as printed, there's no link to this particular person, who denies being in the woods that day.
     
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    the fact is that If the ATF knows that you bought a stack of guns they will come check on you! In FFL audits they will make note if they see the same name on a bunch of 4473's. Like it or lump it thats the way it has been and will be.
     
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    Taking the story at face value, I can under stand why the cops went to talk to him. (Do they have registration there, so they knew he'd bought $5000 worth of guns?)

    The operative word here is talk to him - there's nothing wrong with their ringing his doorbell and asking if he knew anything about what allegedly happened.

    But unless they had evidence that he'd done something criminal, when they wanted to remove his guns,
    When I see stories like this, I'm always left wondering about, as Paul Harvey would say, the rest of the story.
     
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    The $5000 part seems like a reporter trying to make a story where they currently don't have one juicy enough. How they police handled the guy certainly makes me wonder. It sounds like he went to the top of the "local guys to talk to" list due to the attention his recent purchases caused.

    All that being said, I'm very glad they did react and investigate an armed man in camouflage hanging out near a school playground.

    If he's a hunter, he's a moron. If he's just plinking, he's a moron. If it's "just a hobby", he's a moron. Playing sneaky Pete with a rifle near a school ranks pretty high on the "this is really stupid" things to do. So either he's a bad guy or a moron, but he's still worth taking aside and talking to.
     
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